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Old Oct 29, 2013 | 08:28 AM
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alt dead?

well drove the truck (92 f150 4.9) last night and everything worked good, open the door start it up this morning come back 5 minutes or so later, jump in start down the driveway and notice my amp guage is a little above o on normal, crap, reverse back up the driveway trying to decide what to do, knowing that normally it charges on L or a little lower on normal and also knowing that in between n and o is 12 volts and knowing i am a little above 12 volts i decide to head out, get a little ways down the road, drops below n, so now it isnt charging at all, turned off all un-needed accessories before i left so i decide i can make it, i only have about 7 miles to go anyway. so my 2g alternator isnt charging anymore, it just kind of let the ghost go, luckily i didnt go out like some do in a fiery blaze of smoke and flame, i havent tested it with a multimeter but i dont have to either, headlights were dimmed way down this morning and the blower was moving slower, also turn signals blinked about 1 time every 30 seconds so obviously not getting the voltage it needs, question is now what do i do? put another 2g in there, or upgrade to a 3g, i have no clue about the 3g swap at all, this is my daily driver so i need it as fast as possible, and if i do do the 3g conversion, how does a person do that and what do they need ( and if i do the swap i wont be using junkyard parts, all new) thanks guys
 
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Old Oct 29, 2013 | 10:11 AM
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To go 3G you need a 8.25" ear spacing 3G alternator. They can be found on some 90, all 91-92 and all 93-95 3.8 Taurus. Then you will need the plug from a junkyard car. Any car with a 3G will have what you need. Lastly you will need some 2 gauge cable, about 3-4 ft, a 175A mega fuse and holder and the lugs for the cable. The cable, fuse and holder can be found at Napa. The fuse and holder part numbers are BK 7821139 (fuse), BK 7821143 (holder). Lugs can be found at Napa as well I believe. Once you have everything, here is how you go about the swap:

Mount the alternator first to see if the clocking is correct. If it is, awesome. If it isn't:
"Onto the reclocking process - you need to first pull the voltage regulator out, 4 torx bolts for this, and you do it just so the thing gets out of the way. Then you put a large screwdriver or a small prybar between the rear cover of the alternator and the rectifier chassis (the big black center ring with the vent holes) - you need to pry the rear cover off the rectifier chassis, do so very carefully as the alternator's rear bearing is pressed into the rear cover and will need some persuading to make it pop out. When the cover comes off, the bearing stays on the shaft. And now comes the fun part - making the stator coils armature let loose of the alternator case. While it is tempting to pry between the rectifier chassis and the main case of the alt, do NOT do that - the rectifier is riveted on its chassis and is attached to the stator coils with 6 solder joint, by trying to pry the rectifier chassis off the alt case you're essentially trying to pull the whole stator armature by applying force on these 6 solder joints, and it is very likely that you will damage them in the process. What you can do instead is what Sassyrel suggested - take a hammer and tap on the case. In my experience a plastic hammer will not be enough, you need a metal hammer for that, albeit a small one - just don't smack it very hard and there will be no damage to the internals. If you're lucky the armature should let loose after a few hammer taps, then you can turn it how you want it - I prefer 1/3 turn clockwise if you're looking at it from the back of the alt, this positions all the wire connectors right on top of the alt. If you're SOL tho, the armature may not come loose even after some good smacks with the hammer - this is when you have to take a long but thin drift punch and reach through the cooling vents in the front of the case and drive the armature out, but this is a very delicate job as that's also right where the stator coil windings are and it is very possible that you damage some of them in the process - if you've never done this before, I suggest you practice on your old alternator first, and if you still don't feel confident in it just run the alternator as is and install a slightly longer belt to keep the electrical connections away from the thermostat water neck and the upper radiator hose." - LCAM-01XA over @ Oilburners.net.

First start with the regulator plug. It should look like this:


Run the green wire to this green wire in the truck:


Connect the harness like shown here:


Last is to cut the cable down to length. Here is how the run should go:

From the lug on the back of the alternator:


To the fuse holder:


The to the starter relay on the fender:


If you have any more questions, fire away. Also see here if you would like. Lots of info, just a little jumbled.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...ing-one-4.html
 
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Old Oct 29, 2013 | 10:31 AM
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i was thinking about getting this one RJM Injection Tech — 8.25

what are your thoughts on that?
 
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Old Oct 29, 2013 | 10:37 AM
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i am also assuming putting another 2g in there would be dumb, also how many amp alternator can a six rib belt handle and not squeal all the time
 
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Old Oct 29, 2013 | 10:56 AM
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From what I have heard, RJM alternators are good. That one should work. Just make sure you order it with the right clocking. As for power, a 6 rib with a good tensioner and no glazing or cracks can support up to 180 amps I believe. And yes, putting another 2G in is pointless and possibly dangerous if it goes up in smoke.
 
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Old Oct 29, 2013 | 11:04 AM
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yeah, thats what i figured, i knew i was lucky when this one didnt go up in flames, it was wet out this morning and i was all paranoid looking into the mirror thinking was that mist, or smoke lol finally popped the hood to check and saw no burnt wires
 
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Old Oct 30, 2013 | 07:49 AM
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well ran my battery dead, died just as i was pulling on to the driveway so it got put on the cahrger, noticed it wasnt taking a charge so decided to try a new battery first, no one was open though so it will have to wait for a little while
 
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Old Oct 30, 2013 | 09:04 AM
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If you notice squeal or chirp on startup try changing to a 'load response control' regulator.

These are white instead of gray and ramp up the output over a few seconds instead of all at once.
Various models are available with different set points and delays.
 
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Old Oct 30, 2013 | 09:51 AM
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nope, no chirp or squeal on startup
 
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Old Oct 30, 2013 | 09:53 AM
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Well, I only have the double V-belt pulley.
My 3G swap made me crazy until I thought to change the regulator.
 
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