This came through my RSS reader this morning:

Ford Settles Class Action Over Navistar Diesels | RV Business

We're not going to get much from them, the lawyers get most, but I'll take what I can. I don't like that the heads are not covered in this settlement.

 

Congratulations if you joined this class action, you just made a lot of attorneys quite a bit richer. Ford will now raise prices on their line of cars... costs will be passed on to the consumers. (wait...too late lol) It's how it works. It's too bad so many 'mechanics' screwed a lot of these repairs up. It's also too bad that Ford didn't work with the owners a little more so it didn't come to this. However, You should see what Chevy does when a Duramax comes in for warranty work... they do their best to deny it and make owners wait for an 'adjuster' to come to the shop and inspect it...

 

I believe that everyone who bought one of these trucks new, whether "joined up" as a part of it or not, would be covered under the settlement. At least that is my understanding. It would be interesting to see if anything actually comes of it. And I agree, the heads should have been a part of it.

Can we even talk about this kind of stuff on this site?

ON EDIT: I now see, after eventually reading the link, that Ford threw their loyal customers a freaking bone. LOL. Wow, this just ices the top of the cake with a big steamy turd, doesn't it?

 

It would be nice to know how many 6.0s were produced in a ford chassis and how many of them went problem free.
Of those that had problems, how many were due to lack of maintenance?

 

Navistar, from what I recall, rates their VT365 at B50 for 350,000 miles. My understanding is that means that 50% of the VT365's will need a major overhaul at or near 350,000 miles. The 5.9 Cummins has the same.

For the people with Head Problems. What % were tuned? What % were repaired/replaced when they were misdiagnosed? That must be why Duramax owners are now complaining that Chevy is denying claims if their vehicles have ever been tuned. Chevy learned their lesson from this one. Yes, I know there were REAL issues, but so was my 2006 Expedition and I traded that joker in. I wasn't doing that anymore.

 

That's what I am thinking.... too many variables. I have seen people turn the key and just mash the throttle on these truck cold with high horsepower tunes. Everything has its limits.
On the other hand, I'm sure there are guys out there with legitimate problems, but Ford has no way to decide which problems were self induced.

 

I've seen several times about 1 million 6.0 produced Ford vehicles, that would include all F Series and E Series.

It would seem to me the most warranty work was done on the very first emergency response vehicles and 2003 Early 04 engines.

Hence the later engines had better HPOPs, lower boost and better computer strategies.

Josh

 

Well, that and the fact that practically NO dealer sent the heads off to be magnafluxed for cracks around the valve seats and how many techs do you think skipped the flatness check? So they put the heads back on and guess what? Repeat issues. I wonder how many of those were blamed on the 'lousy' 6.0 when it should have been directed at the Dealers and Techs.

 

A lot of it was blaming head gaskets when in fact the oil cooler plugged causing the EGR cooler to rupture....

2 things happened, a diesel tech would see coolant in the exhaust and assume head gaskets or if it was left long enough the engine would overheat definately blowing the head gaskets. But the HG's were never the issue, never were the TTY bolts. Just a chain reaction.

Plus the early engines had much higher boost.

High boost, plus no experience and Edge/Bully Dog tuners equals an unhappy 6.0 engine.

Just significant inexperience in the beginning. If the majority knew then what many know now about oil coolers, egr coolers, FICM's, HPOP issues and tuners the 6.0 would have had a much better reputation.

It's just funny how many forgot what a turd the 7.3 was when the 6.0 started having issues.

Josh

 

If the Engineers who designed the 6.0 knew then what many know now about oil coolers, egr coolers, FICM's, HPOP issues the 6.0 would have had a much better reputation.

 

The early engines had higher boost? News to me and I own one. I never see more then 25psi tuned or stock.

 

Owned since new? Later PCM strategies limited boost.

Even the earliest 03 had pilot injection before Ford abandoned that.

Altitude plays a part too... 25 psi at 6000 is like what at sea level? 28-30?

Josh

 

You know that most tunes create more power by fooling the pcm with altered sensor values. They tell pcm boost is 22psi when it actually is 28, so makes more power, but dash boost gauge shows 22.

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The early 03's went to 32 psi boost on a regular basis. Virtually every factory reflash has been a detune since 04. That's why PHP offers roll back flashes to earlier strategies.

 

All this is why I just can't for the life of me understand why people want to run tunes and have higher power in these engines. The Navistars were detuned a lot, I figure the Ford truck tune is as high as we should go. Unless is really is all about oil coolers, egr coolers, FICM's, HPOPs, and not so much the power levels.

Ford added the wrench light to try to monitor and avoid the oil cooler issue and the turbo over-boost issue. I don't think they had a code for FICM voltage below 46 volts. For me the crime that they never solved was fuel pressure. They released the spring upgrade kit and never made it mandatory - my dealer had never heard of it before I told him about it. They designed and issued the special bypass fuel pressure tester to every dealer, but no one knew how to use it, or seemed to use it on trucks with failing injectors. And the spec for fuel pressure at 45 pounds in the literature is 5 psi lower than the Ford Subject Matter Expert engineer told me it should be. And the icing on the cake is no way to monitor fuel pressure to set a code. To me, that is the major failing of the engine.

Brian

Brian