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HPOP, ICP, IPR, and injector O-rings all join the lineup as the usual suspects. Cody's miracle test is looking like it may need to be loaded and cocked. Before that happens, unplug the ICP and see if she fires up. If it does - bad ICP.
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Laughing Gas
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Already tried unhooking icp. And took IPR apart. And tried an old ipr solinod on current ipr. So am i down to bad injector o rings???
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Laughing Gas
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I know it is hardly ever the HPOP, but how do I know. I think I have only had this T 500 on for about a year, but I did not install it for probably a year after I bought it. I kinda hate to throw money at it, but I guess that is what it takes sometimes. So IPR ICP HPOP Inj. O rings. I unplugged ICP and still nothing so does that rule that out or is it still a possibility?
thanks again all
thanks again all
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Sorry it took so long - I was snortin' varnish and stain in the garage.
I looked at your data, give the ICP a pardon and focus on the rest of the HPO system. I wonder if the bolt on your HPOP drive gear came off or something weird like that. While your ICP is dismal, the PCM found it in its heard to give you a couple of blasts of fuel (Fuel Injector Pulse Width jumps). Not much came of it, so I dare say the ICP isn't lying. That leaves you with an IPR or HPOP that's not doing the job, or an internal HPO leak - like injector O-rings.
I looked at your data, give the ICP a pardon and focus on the rest of the HPO system. I wonder if the bolt on your HPOP drive gear came off or something weird like that. While your ICP is dismal, the PCM found it in its heard to give you a couple of blasts of fuel (Fuel Injector Pulse Width jumps). Not much came of it, so I dare say the ICP isn't lying. That leaves you with an IPR or HPOP that's not doing the job, or an internal HPO leak - like injector O-rings.
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Laughing Gas
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Rich, Thank you again. Will be easy to take a look at the HPOP bolt since I put this on a while back.... Driven Diesel HPOP Gear Access Cover Kit
That graph looks awesome I really have to start changing those min. and max limits.
When you say should have fired off do you mean if I had the 500psi or it usuallly takes 500 to give me the fuel?
thanks again.
That graph looks awesome I really have to start changing those min. and max limits.
When you say should have fired off do you mean if I had the 500psi or it usuallly takes 500 to give me the fuel?
thanks again.
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Rich, Thank you again. Will be easy to take a look at the HPOP bolt since I put this on a while back.... Driven Diesel HPOP Gear Access Cover Kit
That graph looks awesome I really have to start changing those min. and max limits.
When you say should have fired off do you mean if I had the 500psi or it usuallly takes 500 to give me the fuel?
thanks again.
That graph looks awesome I really have to start changing those min. and max limits.
When you say should have fired off do you mean if I had the 500psi or it usuallly takes 500 to give me the fuel?
thanks again.
When the FIPW goes from 0.6 ms (off) to over 1.5 ms (on), fuel is being applied. The FIPW spiked that high and didn't fire the truck up, which implies there's not enough ICP to deliver the proper amount of fuel. This also implies the ICP is not lying.
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Laughing Gas
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Although I am going to keep this truck and I am sure I will get it going again I almost talked myself in to a Denali HD but then I went and drove a new F250 Lariat the interior on those things are friggin awesome. I will not be suprised if I have one before the end of the week. I think GMC will have to come upt with a hell of a deal to walk away from the ford. As of now I have a 2014 Lariat locked in at $53500 Then I will have alot of time to tweek on the old 7.3 just no $$$$ to do it with. Then again time will probably not be there either. Well it will be there but I will be working to make that payment. Yiiiiiikes!!!!!!
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I dunno man, that's a pretty heavy round to load into the Buck$Zooka every month for years to come. Even though I can afford it, it's a lot of money out the door no matter what is going on in one's life for a long time. I hate the tail-light depreciation and the interest payments (I'm not the borrowing type, hence... I have more money available than if I was paying interest on a card or a big loan).
Before you leave a smoke ring where your wallet was, you might price a 2012 6.7 with low miles. Even if you don't buy one, you'll know where you stand (financially) with the truck in a couple of years. I can find one all the live-long day for $35K with low miles, that's a $1000/mo hit in value (when you factor in tax, license, financing charges, interest, yadda, yadda, yadda). I think one of the driving forces on the more expensive used trucks is balance owing on the loan.
These are the thoughts that run through my head on a decision of this magnitude, I'm just sharing. Good luck on either truck!
Before you leave a smoke ring where your wallet was, you might price a 2012 6.7 with low miles. Even if you don't buy one, you'll know where you stand (financially) with the truck in a couple of years. I can find one all the live-long day for $35K with low miles, that's a $1000/mo hit in value (when you factor in tax, license, financing charges, interest, yadda, yadda, yadda). I think one of the driving forces on the more expensive used trucks is balance owing on the loan.
These are the thoughts that run through my head on a decision of this magnitude, I'm just sharing. Good luck on either truck!
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Laughing Gas
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I know believe me I have been a little stressed out this week even thinking about it. Your right that is alot for awhile. What do you mean by low miles? I only ask cause alot of people have alot of diffrent views on what that means.
Other than the huge bill is there any other down falls to the 6.7 that we know of yet?? I know I am going to get some bias replies, and yes I already asked in the 6.7 forum but again it would be near impossible to get an unbiased opinion anywhere these days.
I need to look a little harder for some 12's all the ones I have been looking at GMC and Ford with all the goodies on em seem to be well in the 40's some upper 40's so that kida discouraged me from them.
thanks guys
Other than the huge bill is there any other down falls to the 6.7 that we know of yet?? I know I am going to get some bias replies, and yes I already asked in the 6.7 forum but again it would be near impossible to get an unbiased opinion anywhere these days.
I need to look a little harder for some 12's all the ones I have been looking at GMC and Ford with all the goodies on em seem to be well in the 40's some upper 40's so that kida discouraged me from them.
thanks guys
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I work with electromechanical devices all day long. Some were made way back in the 70's and some are fresh out of the factory. Reliability in the electric/electronics controls kept on improving until they all went software based, instead of firmware/hardware based. I am constantly cleaning up messes by rebooting.
Now... these truck have more modern electronics in them than ever before, and Ford is going to get their money - so they charge for the program after they've punked you for a module. It takes 5 years for modern electronics to start acting up, so the reputation of the 6.7L will be fantastic until then (unless they have a surprise like 6.0 EGR issue). 2016-2017 is when that ship lands, then the value of the 6.7 will be strapped to the behavior of the electronics. Unless somebody comes up with a bunch of cheap after-market modules, we can't mod our way out of that one - like we did with the Hutch and 50-cent mods.
Now... these truck have more modern electronics in them than ever before, and Ford is going to get their money - so they charge for the program after they've punked you for a module. It takes 5 years for modern electronics to start acting up, so the reputation of the 6.7L will be fantastic until then (unless they have a surprise like 6.0 EGR issue). 2016-2017 is when that ship lands, then the value of the 6.7 will be strapped to the behavior of the electronics. Unless somebody comes up with a bunch of cheap after-market modules, we can't mod our way out of that one - like we did with the Hutch and 50-cent mods.
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