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Old Sep 30, 2013 | 10:10 AM
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Front tow hooks

Was pulling a stump out yesterday with the truck using the front tow hooks, and while it worked pretty well (was largely limited by wheel traction, but after cutting a couple roots, we got it) - I did notice that the hook was bending down some every time the truck loaded the chain. The chain was at about a 10 degree rise from horizontal, so was largely a horizontal force - but my question is... how strong are those hooks? Was I just being overly concerned that I would bend/break it, or was I really at risk of damaging something?
 
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Old Sep 30, 2013 | 10:14 AM
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The hook is pretty strong. It's bent down at about a 10 degree angle from the factory. If you are pulling in a way that bends it further you need to modify your chains to not do that anymore.
 
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Old Sep 30, 2013 | 10:16 AM
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I run a front hitch with a winch mount in it. I have pulled trucks, trees,boulders you name it. The hooks themselves are cast and might break with impact but I doubt they would fail before pulling the bolts out. With the front hitch installed, the mounts seem stronger as there is more metal sandwiched with the bolts. Not exactly the answer but just my thoughts.
 
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Old Sep 30, 2013 | 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by mtnsammy
I run a front hitch with a winch mount in it. I have pulled trucks, trees,boulders you name it. The hooks themselves are cast and might break with impact but I doubt they would fail before pulling the bolts out. With the front hitch installed, the mounts seem stronger as there is more metal sandwiched with the bolts. Not exactly the answer but just my thoughts.
Do you have pics of said setup?

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Old Sep 30, 2013 | 08:55 PM
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The front tow 'hooks' (actually loops) are forged, not cast.
 
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Old Oct 1, 2013 | 02:11 AM
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Those hooks have a bit of an angle from the factory. They are plenty strong. I would say that something else would give way...like a bolt to the hooks before you bend those hooks...they are that strong.
 
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Old Oct 1, 2013 | 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by housedad
The front tow 'hooks' (actually loops) are forged, not cast.
I believe the '99 and '00s are cast and the '01s and above are forged.....
 
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Old Oct 1, 2013 | 08:46 AM
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I guess my question wasn't how strong the actual hooks were, but how much you can pull before you break something. With any design if you pull hard enough SOMETHING will give... I'm just hoping it's something cheap in the line that breaks. Given that... I'd almost prefer the hooks themselves (or perhaps the mounting bolts) to give way before the frame does.

Has anybody ever done frame damage (or any damage) by pulling too hard on the hooks?
 
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Old Oct 1, 2013 | 09:01 AM
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The frame will give first.

You could do frame damage pulling too hard. The three bolts that hold the tow hooks on are also the front bolts that hold on the front spring hanger. Given a strong enough pull, the most probable effect would be to bend amd elongate the frame at the end.
 
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Old Oct 1, 2013 | 10:00 AM
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You might also consider the transmission or drive train going first. I've seen it happen. Pulling a tree stump is a brutal thing to ask a vehicle to do.

I like the winch idea. Better to break a winch or cable than your drive train.
 
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Old Oct 1, 2013 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by housedad
The frame will give first.

You could do frame damage pulling too hard. The three bolts that hold the tow hooks on are also the front bolts that hold on the front spring hanger. Given a strong enough pull, the most probable effect would be to bend amd elongate the frame at the end.
I agree, with my previous ex I tapped a tree with the front tow hook. To make a long story short the frame bent and nothing happened to the tow hook.
 
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Old Oct 1, 2013 | 11:00 AM
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I agree, with my previous ex I tapped a tree with the front tow hook. To make a long story short the frame bent and nothing happened to the tow hook.
How's the tree?
 
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Old Oct 1, 2013 | 11:01 AM
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How's the tree?
Lol, I'm sure it felt it
 
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Old Oct 1, 2013 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Scootin159
I guess my question wasn't how strong the actual hooks were, but how much you can pull before you break something. With any design if you pull hard enough SOMETHING will give... I'm just hoping it's something cheap in the line that breaks. Given that... I'd almost prefer the hooks themselves (or perhaps the mounting bolts) to give way before the frame does.

Has anybody ever done frame damage (or any damage) by pulling too hard on the hooks?
If you are talking about pulling and only pulling then a bolt is going to give up before the frame bends. Someone mentioned hitting a tree with it and the frame bent....that is different because pushing back on the tow hook all the pressure is going against the frame. You could have no bolts on there ....just the tow hook sitting there between you and said tree and pressure put against the frame. Pulling on the tow hook incorporates all the pressure on the bolts holding the tow hook.

Put something in the middle of your chain or tow strap(if its a tow strap with hooks)..even if its a shirt or towel...something. If that lets loose it helps keep the sling shot effect to a minimum.

I would also like to mention that using a tow strap will have a much less chance of something giving at any location. A cinch strap has a bit of a snapping effect...not much but much more so than a straight chain. A chain has no give and 100 percent of the pressure/pulling is at the anchor points.
 
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Old Oct 1, 2013 | 01:34 PM
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Do you have pics of said setup?

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Here is a shot of the front hitch adapter installed. My 2000 only had 2 bolts holding the front bumper on for each side (the outer 2). The hitch adapter added 2 bolts to each side (to more securely hold the hitch adapter on).



Those bolts had nothing to do with the hooks (loops), but I can see how having 4 bolts holding the frame flange to the bumper - and subsequently the hitch adapter sandwitched between - would help stiffen the front flanges on the frame (hopefully helping prevent any bending when pulling).

Anyone going this route will lose their driving lights - but you can put a set of Rigid LED 4x4's in there and they are WAY brighter:



 
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