I've always called it off road fuel ha, I know that charges are huge but I was just curious as to if it would hurt my engine. I've heard from many that it will mess the engine up, which I'm not wanting to do. We farm and sometimes it's tempting to fill up out of our big tank but the rumors have had me nervous of engine failure.

 

as long as theres no Algie growing in the diesel tank do you or the company treat the tank,I would make sure your 6.0 has the treatment other wise if you are just running around town and not doing business with big trailers and signs on the truck, you should be OK. and don't run it when you have to smog the truck.

 

Pickups get checked as well. I was stopped by the MN Commercial Vehicle Inspector and had my fuel tank dipped.

He gave me a flyer about fuel taxes and what the fines are as well. I will run out to the truck to grab it.

Don't think that just because you have a pickup means you won't get your tanks dipped.

 

Oh yea I know , I have been seeing this more and more .

 

I don't see how they could dip your tank without consent. They would need PC to search the vehicle. I'm sure they phrased it in a way as to sound like a command but in fact it was a question.

For example:

"I need you to provide a sample of fuel for inspection."

It is a request, not a lawful order. You have a choice whether to comply or not.

Of course they will try to make you feel obligated/guilty with the old line , "If you don't have anything to hide, what's the big deal?". It's up to you how you handle the situation if it arises. For me, "I do not consent to any searches, thank you".

 

This is the info on the flyer that was given to me when the dipped my tanks. This is in Minnesota.


Taxable Fuel Inspection Notice

The Minnesota Department of Revenue in partnership with the State Patrol, Internal Revenue Service and other agencies are conducting fuel inspections at this site.

296A.22 NONPAYMENT OF TAX; CIVIL PENALTIES.
Subd. 4.Unlawful use of dyed fuel.
(a) If any dyed fuel is sold or held for sale by a person for any use which the person knows or has reason to know is not a nontaxable use of the fuel; or if any dyed fuel is held for use or used in a licensed motor vehicle or for any other use by a person for a use other than a nontaxable use and the person knew, or had reason to know, that the fuel was so dyed; or if a person willfully alters, or attempts to alter, the strength or composition of any dye or marking in any dyed fuel, then the person shall pay a penalty in addition to the tax, if any.
(b) Except as provided in paragraph (c), the amount of penalty under paragraph (a) for each act is the greater of $1,000, or $10 for each gallon of dyed fuel involved.
(c) With regard to a multiple violation under paragraph (a), the penalty shall be applied by increasing the amount in paragraph (b) by the product of (1) such amount, and (2) the number of prior penalties, if any, imposed by this section on the person, or a related person, or any predecessor of the person or related person.

296A.02 ADMINISTRATION.
Subdivision 1.Enforcement responsibility.
The commissioner of revenue shall enforce and administer the provisions of this chapter with the assistance of the commissioners of public safety, commerce, and transportation.

This information will be used to evaluate your liability for petroleum excise tax and to determine if a penalty for the improper use of untaxed fuel is appropriate. The information may be used for collection purposes. You are not legally required to provide the information requested; however, if no information is provided or the information is insufficient to make a determination of liability you may be held responsible for unpaid tax.

The information you provide on this form is confidential. It can only be given to the Internal Revenue Service, other states, Minnesota municipalities, the Minnesota Department of Revenue, the Minnesota Attorney General in the administration of tax laws, the Minnesota Department of Human Services if there is any evidence you deserted your children or are delinquent in child support payments, or another person who must list some or all of our income or expenses on his or her tax returns.

 

Good luck with that one. The revenue departments do not like being cheated. The way the flyer I received reads it would lead me to believe that by not consenting to a search you are going to be held responsible for unpaid tax.

It all depends on how the statutes read.

 

What you are lead to believe and what is the truth are two separate things. If you don't mind lying down and kissing the butt of "the man" just because they said so, be my guest. I myself choose to retain my rights and dignity. I have have nothing to hide, I am a law abiding citizen. As such I am free from unreasonable search and seizure. Once you give up a right it is difficult, if not impossible, to ever regain.

 

As I will Agree with you on that and great movie BTW (law abiding citizen) they have been cracking down on this for years on commercial trucking only . Now the new (( Gov)) and greedy little money hungry fingers wants whats in your Wallet beleave me they will Tax Pig fat soon and then Bio fuel will be there next Task force Urgg I have indigestion just thinking about that Tax. Maybe we should dip there tanks and see what there running. Sorry Diesel Mom its your Thread

 

Oh and Thank you too Cris haven't seen or read any of those.

 

You can do this with MUCH more confidence if the fuel in your tank isn't red.

 

Back in the day we had IRS stop by the yard and dip the OTR trucks, didn't touch the personal trucks.

As for DOT, State Patrol or IRS dipping personal trucks on the highway on Colorado, I've never seen it, or known anyone involved in it. Of course there are plenty of urban myths about it.

 

You are probably not going to get checked at a checkpoint unless you are are a commercial or ag vehicle. I doubt a local PD or Deputy would go thru the trouble on a traffic stop (unless you are commercial or ag) but is it worth the risk?

 

it won't hurt the engine. it's the same fuel.

if you put it in your tank, to get the red die out, you will
need to run the tank way down, then fill it with untinted
fuel about two tankfuls. the stuff is persistent.

calif. is about a $10k fine if you get caught on the road
with it.... the irony is, when diesel fuel spiked to $5.50
a gallon, people were stealing it out of heavy equipment
like earthmoving and stationary generator tanks.

people who got caught, could have been charged with stealing
fuel, a $50 misdemeanor, but instead were charged with using
red #2 on a highway.

ka-ching.

 

well today I picked my smog tech guys brain, asked if he has ever failed anybody with red dye diesel, or if the numbers are diff . His comment was ( no they don't put the probe in the excaust pipe just a visual inspection and they would'ent know if there was red dye in the tank unless you openly stated the fact). he did say EGR deletes ,after market excaust, bully dog and any tunners that are not comply'ent. even thought some random dip station exsist I would not take the chance. unless of course I never take the truck to far off the farm. and do the Algie test.