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Old Jun 10, 2013 | 03:59 PM
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Yet another no spark

1999 F-150 4.2 Auto. Wife at traffic light, said it "stumbled" and died. Cranks good.

Checked fuel pressure- a little over 40 PSI at the rail. Sprayed a little starting fluid and no start.

Pulled a plug wire and looked for spark- none.

Changed out the Crank Pos Sensor for a new one- no spark

Tested resistance across coil pack pairs 2/6 had no reading. changed out coil pack.

Checked voltage to red wire to coil pack when key on and has 12 V.

Looked in oil fill hole and see rockers moving when cranking so not timing chain.

What's the next step? And thank you in advance. Trying to be methodical in my testing.....do not have a code reader.
 
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Old Jun 10, 2013 | 06:00 PM
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Looks like the PCM is not getting power.
The PCM has to provide ground to the coil packs in the fire order sequence or no spark.
There are fuses depending on your build.
A mini fuse block check #1.
Dash panel check #30.
Relay #6 in Pwr dist. box.
Power dist. box #24.
You need a copy of the owners manuel to have all this info.
Good luck.
 
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Old Jun 10, 2013 | 08:23 PM
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Quick check for PCM power: If the MIL comes on at key-on, the PCM has power.
 
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Old Jun 10, 2013 | 08:31 PM
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We ran a scan on it and no codes ( I had the battery disconnected a couple of hours)and the PCM is communicating. My mechanic friend recommended changing the cam position sensor as well. The coil pack is getting power but no fire signal. I will post up results as I go along.

Thanks again for your replies and ideas. Awesome forum here.

Jim
 
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Old Jun 10, 2013 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrass 7
Looks like the PCM is not getting power.
The PCM has to provide ground to the coil packs in the fire order sequence or no spark.
There are fuses depending on your build.
A mini fuse block check #1.
Dash panel check #30.
Relay #6 in Pwr dist. box.
Power dist. box #24.
You need a copy of the owners manuel to have all this info.
Good luck.
Thanks for the specific info. I checked all the fuses but will look again at those specific ones. appreciate the info.

Jim
 
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Old Jun 11, 2013 | 09:09 AM
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New cam sensor didn't fix it....checking fuses listed above now.
 
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Old Jun 11, 2013 | 09:38 AM
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Fuses and relays look good.....I am stumped. broken wire?
 
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Old Jun 11, 2013 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by projectSHO89
Quick check for PCM power: If the MIL comes on at key-on, the PCM has power.

MIL? Looked for a list of acronyms...
 
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Malfunction Indicator Lamp, aka, the check engine light.

Cam sensors cannot cause a "crank, no fire" symptom although the crank sensor can. Unlike you like wasting money, avoid the urge to replace parts on a whim.
 
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Old Jun 11, 2013 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by projectSHO89
Malfunction Indicator Lamp, aka, the check engine light.

Cam sensors cannot cause a "crank, no fire" symptom although the crank sensor can. Unlike you like wasting money, avoid the urge to replace parts on a whim.
I value your input and, I assure you that I have no urge to replace parts on a whim. I have tried to be methodical in my approach to this issue and was taking the advice of a friend when it came to the cam sensor.

Is it possible I purchased a defective crank sensor? Is there a test procedure for that sensor and connector I should perform? And.....thanks in advance.
 
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and the PCM is communicating.
That's good, it means the PCM does have power.

Cam sensor is near the top of the engine. The crank sensor is going to be down near the crankshaft. I'm not familiar with where it is on the 4.2 engines, but some of the V8s it's usually buried under the A/C compressor.
 
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Thanks! I have already replaced crank sensor and cam sensor. Would it be a good test to unplug the SPOUT?
 
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