A mechanic told me today, that a set of injectors for a new Chevy deisel, cost $10,000.00.
Does the new 6.7 Fords cost that much?

He said that they would not stand up to any water, and failed easily.

 

He is not a mechanic he is a crook.

 

And 6.7 injectors are about the same price

Race 6 34 LPM 100% Injectors (set of 8) - 11-12 Duramax LML 0 445 117 010-R6

Now with the 6.7 if you get water in the fuel system it will be bad and total repair cost can get up to 8-10k

 

The newer diesel engines have injectors that are capable of multiple injection events during a single power stroke. In order to accomplish that feat, the fuel needs to be highly pressurized prior to reaching the injector body. Most all manufacturers utilize a HPFP (High Pressure Fuel Pump) these days. The system is heavily dependent on having high quality fuel. Any contamination from water or other foreign matter will trash the complete fuel delivery system in very short order. A new fuel system for the Duramax or Power Stroke runs right around $10k.

The issue boils down to regulations and enforcement. The manufacturers of these trucks are required to meet certain emissions standards....which are pretty severe now, more severe than European standards actually. At the moment, the only way to meet these standards is to employ a combination of technologies that are actually fairly new to the class 2 and 3 truck market. HPFP is one of those technologies.

The other part of the equation is the fuel being sold these days is supposed to be refined to meet certain standards as well. One of those measurements is a scar wear rating. US ratings allow more scar than Canada for example. Blends can negatively affect scar wear ratings as well. Problem is....Who is enforcing this regulation and validating that our fuel meets minimum standards?. Even if the fuel is tested at the refinery, who knows what happens to it along the way to the pump? By the time it gets into your tank it could test differently.

Bosch (who makes the majority of HPFP pumps for various manufacturers) has designed a pump to use a certain quality of fuel. The manufacturers are required to use these systems in order to meet emissions. So, they build the vehicles and hope that our nation's fuel delivery system can supply the public with a certain quality fuel every single time....no exceptions.

Do you know where you fuel came from? When you are pumping fuel into your truck, can you tell if it's bad? Kinda scary huh? Now go out and give your 7.3 a big ole hug because it doesn't care what you feed it....well, it's not nearly as picky as the newer trucks.

 

Since we are on the subject....
I was asked to post these invoices on the 6.7 forum by the owner of a 6.7 truck that just experienced a HPFP failure. He buys his fuel at the same place most every time. I think it's a fleet fueling station or maybe it's just that his employer pays for the fuel...

At any rate, his pump failed and the truck would not start. Towed to the dealer and they poured some fuel into a styrofoam cup apparently as a test that must be requested by the Ford hotline. The cup dissolved so Ford denied warranty. Another dealer repaired the system, the owner paid around $10k total and the second dealer tested the fuel and said it was good. This guy is back on the road now with a much lighter wallet and a truck that has a 12,000 mile warranty.

I believe there was an independent shop authorized to work on Ford vehicles that saw the truck before it went to the second dealer. Apparently they also tested the fuel and said it was OK.

A similar thing happened to Rick as well. There are lots of threads about this issue in the 6.7 forum. I am not sure if it's a common failure...but there is a lot of discussion going on. I am told similar discussions occur in the Dmax and VW forums as well...

 

Looks like the quality of the polystyrene cup isn't in question. Charged him $30 for it (shop supplies).

 

And here is another thing that will get you if you have one of these trucks...

I have to lock up my DEF because I can't trust the drivers to pour it in the correct tank. Some of our driver's get it....others have no freaking clue. Just amazes me actually...

Be careful who you lend your truck to. I saw a truck at the repair shop yesterday because the wife poured DEF into the fuel tank. On some trucks, the fill tubes are right next to each other. Very very bad things happen when DEF gets into the fuel. I felt bad for them because it was an honest mistake. I was sooooo mad when one of our guys did that. Fortunately for us he fessed up right away and we never started the engine. It was expensive but not as expensive as it could have been.

 

The main reason we chose to buy a used truck (and specifically a 7.3) when we decided to start traveling full-time.

 

As compelling as it is to say something, I will remain sensitive to our friends with new diesels that hang out here. That piece of paper was horrific enough for anybody. What is resale on a newer diesel? I'm gunna look it up.

 

I priced a 2013 6.7 as close to Stinky's current configuration as possible... $45K
I then priced a 2012 with the same setup on the used market (private party) with excellent condition and 20K miles (what I drive annually)... $35K

2012 6.7L - $45K (plus or minus for different model year)
Gas in fuel - $9K
Sell in 2013 + 35K

$54K out (tax, license, interest, insurance, supplies, etc... notwithstanding)
$35K in = $19K plus all the trimmings for one year of driving.

I'm completely shutting up about the Buck$Zooka rounds on Stinky.

 

Hopefully I can keep mine on the road for a looonnnggg time, if the body panels don't rust away.

 

As long as parts are available, you can.

I once saw a hammer that looked brand new, but was actually 40 Years Old.
The handle had been replace 6 times, and the head 3.

 

I followed Rick's thread when it happened. I read the 6.7 forums when it came out to see what issues may arise with this new Ford motor.

Funny thing to me was, when the HPFP and water mixture seemed to have some sort of link, and folks started having to pay 10k to fix their truck, I suggested installing an aftermarket water separator between the tank and fuel pump (like many here do on the lowly 7.3) Seems to me that if a little water and a WIF light that doesn't warn you in time can cause so much damage, a secondary filter/separator sounded like a good idea.

Almost everyone ignored me. Those that didn't made comments about that was either a bad idea or would void their warranty (that wasn't paying for stuff anyway).

I don't get it, but I'd guess Chebby is about the same as Ford as to what all fails when water gets in the system. More than just the injectors.

 

*vomits*


I gave 10k...


For my whole truck.

 

I walked out of one of my stations that I maintain and saw a guy pouring DEF in his radiator. I guess he had picked it up and never looked at the bottle, the clerk inside even gave him a paper funnel. He was half way through the gallon when I stopped him and told him to go over to the hose and wash it out and then get to a mechanic and tell them what he did. He had no clue.

I loved the comment about the hammer.

Me ,I gave less then $12k for both my F450 AND my Excursion.
Yes, it would be nice to have a pretty new truck to drive, but till all the garbage gets sorted with the engines and emissions, you could not give me one.
I will be keeping the Excursion till the kids are gone at least and one is on the way so I guess that is at least 20 years down the road.