Instrument cluster programming?
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Instrument cluster programming?
2006 F350 Lariat 6.0. The cluster is shot.....gauges, windows, radio quit working and all troubleshooting says the cluster is shot. The relays and fuses are good. I've found a used cluster at a wrecker for $150 and Im wondering it'll need programming? The main reason is to match up the kilometers to what the truck has. Some guys say the PCM stores and sends the mileage to the cluster and some guys say the cluster stores the mileage? Which way is it?
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From: Spanaway
The cluster stores the mileage and other operational data. So the
best way is to take both to someone(Ford) that can read and write the data
from the old cluster and to the new one. If you don't you may find
that some things do work the same or at all.
Sean
best way is to take both to someone(Ford) that can read and write the data
from the old cluster and to the new one. If you don't you may find
that some things do work the same or at all.
Sean
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Before I bought anything I would call Ford and see if they will do it, and see about the legal stand point of it. Some states don't allow cluster changes without being noted on the vehicle title or turning into a rebuilt/salvage title. Just something to be curious about
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The dealer can NOT change the mileage in the cluster.
When a dealer has to replace a cluster, they order them and give the mileage to be loaded at the cluster repair center. The replacement cluster then arrives at the dealer ready for installation with the correct mileage already loaded in it.
When a dealer has to replace a cluster, they order them and give the mileage to be loaded at the cluster repair center. The replacement cluster then arrives at the dealer ready for installation with the correct mileage already loaded in it.
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Ok guys. Thanks for all the info. I had it troubleshot at the dealer and they said a new one was $700 and if I could get one from a wrecker to go ahead but they couldn't confirm if the PCM or the dash stored the mileage.
If what you guys are saying is true and I don't really care about what the mileage says, can I just replace the cluster without any issues? And I'm also wondering because I'm in Canada, if the law applies about the mileage?? I'm sure it does but just wondering.
The cluster will be here tomorrow so I'm hoping to find my answers by then.
If what you guys are saying is true and I don't really care about what the mileage says, can I just replace the cluster without any issues? And I'm also wondering because I'm in Canada, if the law applies about the mileage?? I'm sure it does but just wondering.
The cluster will be here tomorrow so I'm hoping to find my answers by then.
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The PATS stuff will need to be programmed by the dealer.
Here in the states, when an odometer is swapped with another that has a different reading, it usually requires an odometer disclosure statement from the seller at the time of vehicle sale. Not a big deal, but it is a formality to be kept in mind.
Here in the states, when an odometer is swapped with another that has a different reading, it usually requires an odometer disclosure statement from the seller at the time of vehicle sale. Not a big deal, but it is a formality to be kept in mind.
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If I ever do sell this I'll make sure to disclose the true mileage as my truck has about 240,000kms on it now and the cluster that is coming has about 289,000 on it.
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The PATS stuff will need to be programmed by the dealer.
Here in the states, when an odometer is swapped with another that has a different reading, it usually requires an odometer disclosure statement from the seller at the time of vehicle sale. Not a big deal, but it is a formality to be kept in mind.
Here in the states, when an odometer is swapped with another that has a different reading, it usually requires an odometer disclosure statement from the seller at the time of vehicle sale. Not a big deal, but it is a formality to be kept in mind.
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From: Spanaway
There is an easy answer . Look in your area for a speedometer repair shop
they should have all the tools needed. In Washington State if you change
the speedometer and don't update the milage you need a statement at sale that
this was done and if you know the true milage.
Sean
they should have all the tools needed. In Washington State if you change
the speedometer and don't update the milage you need a statement at sale that
this was done and if you know the true milage.
Sean
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I won't comment on the legality of anything, that's up to you. But I will say that depending on what options the truck had the cluster came out of there could be several things not work properly that Ford will have to go in and re-enter the "as built" data into the cluster.
For example, when I bought the truck in my sig the following list was wrong:
1. TBC fault on in message center
2. Dome light wouldn't come on when opening either door
3. Radio wouldn't shut off when opening either door
4. 4x4 indicator lights didn't work
5. Speedo off by about 5mph
I'd pulled my hair out trying to fix everything and spent a couple hundred on a new brake controller and new door switches and was just resigned to living with it until someone posted here w/ the same symptoms and he figured out all those options were controlled by the cluster and if it had been changed then they had to be "turned on" by Ford. About a month ago I had my truck in the shop and had them check and sure enough - the tech reentered the truck as built data into the cluster and magically everything in the above list was fixed.
For example, when I bought the truck in my sig the following list was wrong:
1. TBC fault on in message center
2. Dome light wouldn't come on when opening either door
3. Radio wouldn't shut off when opening either door
4. 4x4 indicator lights didn't work
5. Speedo off by about 5mph
I'd pulled my hair out trying to fix everything and spent a couple hundred on a new brake controller and new door switches and was just resigned to living with it until someone posted here w/ the same symptoms and he figured out all those options were controlled by the cluster and if it had been changed then they had to be "turned on" by Ford. About a month ago I had my truck in the shop and had them check and sure enough - the tech reentered the truck as built data into the cluster and magically everything in the above list was fixed.
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I won't comment on the legality of anything, that's up to you. But I will say that depending on what options the truck had the cluster came out of there could be several things not work properly that Ford will have to go in and re-enter the "as built" data into the cluster.
For example, when I bought the truck in my sig the following list was wrong:
1. TBC fault on in message center
2. Dome light wouldn't come on when opening either door
3. Radio wouldn't shut off when opening either door
4. 4x4 indicator lights didn't work
5. Speedo off by about 5mph
I'd pulled my hair out trying to fix everything and spent a couple hundred on a new brake controller and new door switches and was just resigned to living with it until someone posted here w/ the same symptoms and he figured out all those options were controlled by the cluster and if it had been changed then they had to be "turned on" by Ford. About a month ago I had my truck in the shop and had them check and sure enough - the tech reentered the truck as built data into the cluster and magically everything in the above list was fixed.
For example, when I bought the truck in my sig the following list was wrong:
1. TBC fault on in message center
2. Dome light wouldn't come on when opening either door
3. Radio wouldn't shut off when opening either door
4. 4x4 indicator lights didn't work
5. Speedo off by about 5mph
I'd pulled my hair out trying to fix everything and spent a couple hundred on a new brake controller and new door switches and was just resigned to living with it until someone posted here w/ the same symptoms and he figured out all those options were controlled by the cluster and if it had been changed then they had to be "turned on" by Ford. About a month ago I had my truck in the shop and had them check and sure enough - the tech reentered the truck as built data into the cluster and magically everything in the above list was fixed.
So when I get the new cluster, will they need the whole truck or just the two clusters to do the programming?
Cheers boys and have a good weekend!
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Thanks again guys! Believe me, I'm not into screwing anybody over. Even if I can't get the mileage changed on the new odometer, it'll be documented in the owners manual package somehow.
So when I get the new cluster, will they need the whole truck or just the two clusters to do the programming?
Cheers boys and have a good weekend!
Troy
So when I get the new cluster, will they need the whole truck or just the two clusters to do the programming?
Cheers boys and have a good weekend!
Troy
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Really it's probably easier just to swap the cluster out yourself and then take it (whole truck w/ new cluster) to the dealer to reprogram. The main functions of the truck, AFAIK, will still work. I believe it's just those little irritants like I posted above that are effected. And you might luck out and get a cluster from a truck equipped similar to yours and since you're not concerned about mileage and if all those options still work you could avoid the dealer altogether.