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Old 08-11-2013, 09:16 PM
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I have a 1960 f100 I've been restoring now for 6 1/2 yrs. and I'm about 85% complete. I had a 223 & replaced it with a 302.The truck came with a hydraulic clutch and I thought it would be easy to keep. However the hydraulic clutch is my issue. I had the original rod that went into slave cyl & into tranny fork, but with a 302 there's not a lot of room in this area. There is such a short distance from slave cyl. to tranny fork, I cut the old rod trying to make it work, And now the original is way to short. I know that I could make another one, and I have but I'm having trouble with the length that its supposed to be. I have looked in various books ;Dennis Carpenter, LMC etc,but they only list this rod for a 1966 & up.Has anyone had this problem or could I be missing parts, is there an easier solution? Please help, send pics if you have a different set up, Thanks for any responses,twr71
 
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I don't know where you can find a replacement rod besides a junk yard, maybe someone will chime in on that. But how did you attach the slave cylinder to the 302 bell housing?
 
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Old 08-11-2013, 11:46 PM
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I had similar issues installing the jr cummins 6at in place of a 223. I ended up making a bracket that used the original ford slave cylinder. But for your application let me suggest this. Various manufacturers make a slave clyinder that mounts within the bell housing. It's actually like a hydraulic throw out bearing with no linkage at the 'slave/business' end. No rods, just a telescoping bearing assembly that has a hose going to it and it surrounds the tranny's input shaft. I have never seen or used one, but the guy who was trying to talk me into it says they work very well and available for many different engine/trans setups. I think the main disadvantage is pulling the tranny if the cylinder assembly should ever fail. Most likely summit racing will have something. Just sounds perfect for close clearance stuff like yours.
 
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Originally Posted by hiball3985
I don't know where you can find a replacement rod besides a junk yard, maybe someone will chime in on that. But how did you attach the slave cylinder to the 302 bell housing?
I had a machine shop make a bracket to mount to bell housing, and bell housing had a bolt hole available to mount this .
 
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Old 08-12-2013, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by GB SISSON
I had similar issues installing the jr cummins 6at in place of a 223. I ended up making a bracket that used the original ford slave cylinder. But for your application let me suggest this. Various manufacturers make a slave clyinder that mounts within the bell housing. It's actually like a hydraulic throw out bearing with no linkage at the 'slave/business' end. No rods, just a telescoping bearing assembly that has a hose going to it and it surrounds the tranny's input shaft. I have never seen or used one, but the guy who was trying to talk me into it says they work very well and available for many different engine/trans setups. I think the main disadvantage is pulling the tranny if the cylinder assembly should ever fail. Most likely summit racing will have something. Just sounds perfect for close clearance stuff like yours.
I have already tried a hydraulic throw out bearing, and I had some trouble with it because The company that made the bearings only made a bearing that was universal and it didn't fit the tranny shaft & they said that I would have to have shaft milled down, I sent it back ,that seemed to be a lot of work to have the milling done. Maybe I was dealing with the wrong company? Any other suggestions?
 
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Old 08-12-2013, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by twr71
I have a 1960 F100 I've been restoring now for 6 1/2 yrs. and I'm about 85% complete. I had a 223 & replaced it with a 302.

The truck came with a hydraulic clutch and I thought it would be easy to keep. However the hydraulic clutch is my issue. I had the original rod that went into slave cyl & into tranny fork, but with a 302 there's not a lot of room in this area.

There is such a short distance from slave cyl. to tranny fork, I cut the old rod trying to make it work, and now the original is way too short.

I know that I could make another one, and I have but I'm having trouble with the length that its supposed to be.
COTT-7A507-A .. Clutch Slave Cylinder Push Rod / 7.10" long ~ 3/8" -24 threads on one end / Obsolete

Applications: 1960 F100/850 (except 401/477/534 V8 engines) / 1961/62 F750/850 (except diesel engines) / 1963 F700/750.

CARPENTER NOS OBSOLETE PARTS in Concord NC has 1 = 800-476-9653 (listed as C0TT-7A507-A).

WESLEY OBSOLETE PARTS in Liberty KY has 2 = 606-787-5293.

NOS PARTS LTD in Waxahachie TX has 3 = 972-937-2201.

GREEN SALES CO. in Cincinnati OH has 11 = 800-543-4959.
 
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When you obtain the new one be sure the piston in the slave cylinder is pushed all the way in when you take your measurement. Don't forget the old saying about measure twice, cut once
 
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What trans did you put behind 302?
 
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Originally Posted by Damifiknow
What trans did you put behind 302?
That was my question!

Ford put the hydralics inside the bell on their 5 speeds for awhile up till '96 maybe? Personally, never cared for the setup since a leaky slave would also ruin the clutch disc.
 
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Originally Posted by spurredon
Ford put the hydraulics inside the bell on their 5 speeds for awhile up till '96 maybe?
1983: First year for hydraulic clutches since 1960, but only in F250/350's with T-19's, 460's, 6.9L diesel initially.

Everything else got a hydraulic clutch in 1984, didn't matter what the M/T was. Hydraulic clutch used thru 1996 or 1997 (F250/350 460/7.3L diesel).
 
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But Bill, Am I missunderstanding soimething? My '59 has a hydraulic clutch.....
 
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Originally Posted by GB SISSON
But Bill, Am I missunderstanding soimething? My '59 has a hydraulic clutch.....
I had to read that twice, he said: 1983: First year for hydraulic clutches SINCE 1960.
I know how the 57-60's work, Have no idea what that later model one is like.
 
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