Notices
1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks 1987 - 1996 Ford F-150, F-250, F-350 and larger pickups - including the 1997 heavy-duty F250/F350+ trucks

Crazy speedometer help...

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 7, 2013 | 06:21 AM
  #16  
rla2005's Avatar
rla2005
Fleet Owner
20 Year Member
Community Builder
Liked
Community Favorite
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 20,785
Likes: 1,751
From: Kentucky
The VSS should not have any "play" in it. Any movement will cause an erroneous change in the output signal.
 
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2013 | 06:31 AM
  #17  
subford's Avatar
subford
Fleet Owner
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Top Answer: 1
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 23,666
Likes: 301
From: Easton,Ks
If the speedometer is bouncing around and the speed control will not keep engaged then the light in the end of the shift stalk would not tell you anything yet.

The light in the end of the shift stalk is turned on and off by the PCM computer. The PSOM is feeding the PCM Computer so if the signal is bad to the PCM Computer then it may also blink the light in the end of the shift stalk.

There have also been cases that the speedometer would bouncing around above a certain speed and the PSOM had to be changed out to fix the problem or so they have posted. But I do not know if the PSOM was draging the voltage lower from the rear VSS (ABS sensor) or not in these cases.
 
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2013 | 12:00 PM
  #18  
Truckin Bob's Avatar
Truckin Bob
Elder User
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 660
Likes: 3
From: Northern California
And just for grins.........

My 94 had a bouncing speedo problem.

There were a few things happening.

First......I installed an "easy tap a fuse" connector on fuse #8 IIRC (for a camper shell light) that was a little sloppy and the fuse was making intermittant connection in that circuit.
It took me several weeks to find that one !!!!!
Make sure your fuse block (under the dash) is holding your fuses snugly.

Second....... I cleaned up just about every ground I could find that had anything to do with the ground circuits of the cab, computer, and instrument cluster.

Third............. Since I wasn't the origional owner, I found MULTIPLE problems with the wiring connectors in the instrument cluster.
There was a "alarm/disabling device" that was installed and removed incorrectly that affected the ground circuit within the cluster/guages.
It had to do with the door chime ground being removed.

That's just some things that might help you in your quest.

Bob
 
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2013 | 01:58 PM
  #19  
Boger's Avatar
Boger
Thread Starter
|
Freshman User
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 25
Likes: 0
Pulled the diff cover was shocked, was expecting it to be a mess in there. LOTS of dirt between the spider gears cleaned it up with 3 cans of brake cleaner checked the clearance between the VSS and the tone ring was in spec. No chunks missing from the tone gear. No play in carrier bearings, no chunks missing from ring gear or pinion everything was nice and tight even checked runout didn't have any.

Now on the #8 fuse I checked that and they had the trailer brake controller hooked into there so I will be looking into that closely and attempt to repair. Not sure how to so if you could chime in here that would awsome (one of the connecters is bent quite a bit.)

Also on the dash problems, the oil pressure gauge does not work just stays at 0 (truck has good oil pressure)

The kid I bought this from lived on a gravel road (extremely bumpy).

now on the wire I repaired I just tied the wires together and electrical taped them, they did not look copper though. They were a greyish color ( I have trouble telling the difference between colors) thinking I should get a chunk of wire and a soder gun and go back under there and do the splicing properly.

Up to 35mph no real flutter

After 35-50 5 mph flutter

55 - 70 10-15 mph flutter

Cruise just keeps accelerating it works it just doesn't stop accelerating.

Now I am assuming I am going to be pulling the dash tomorrow to have a look see. But what should I be looking for? Besides unplugging the vsom which from what your saying would not be causing the low voltage at the rabs test port.

Now also is there a way to test the wiring to the speed sensor to possibly aid me and narrowing down the problem? There was also some moisture on the harness connector going to the vss. Also going to be looking at the grounds and cleaning them up, I have had issues with grounds before on my taurus and I refuse to replace parts only to find a bad ground.

Sorry guys I have add and keep forgetting to add stuff.

Thanks for your help again guys.
 
Reply
Old Mar 7, 2013 | 02:19 PM
  #20  
subford's Avatar
subford
Fleet Owner
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Top Answer: 1
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 23,666
Likes: 301
From: Easton,Ks
If you take the cluster apart and take the PSOM out look for bad caps and loose parts on the board. Re-solder if necessary.
 
Reply
Old Mar 8, 2013 | 02:14 PM
  #21  
Boger's Avatar
Boger
Thread Starter
|
Freshman User
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 25
Likes: 0
I took out the psom today, found few burnt out bulbs one of them being the check engine.

As far as the solder goes I could only find one thing that look slightly off from everything else. And i'm not even sure if its bad going to describe the best I can.

Directly to the left of the SW2 there is a horseshoe type thingy, where that goes into the board closest to the edge.

The connector goes into the board andit looks like there is a small gap around the inside section where the prong connects to the board I cannot describe it....not sure where to go from here.

https://i.imgur.com/vVD1BRQ.jpg


EDIT: This is almost exactly what it looks like http://softsolder.files.wordpress.co...usb-memory.jpg
 
Reply
Old Mar 8, 2013 | 06:14 PM
  #22  
subford's Avatar
subford
Fleet Owner
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Top Answer: 1
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 23,666
Likes: 301
From: Easton,Ks
That needs to be re-soldered.
 
Reply
Old Mar 8, 2013 | 06:37 PM
  #23  
Boger's Avatar
Boger
Thread Starter
|
Freshman User
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 25
Likes: 0
Re-sodered the wire no real change at the start of the test drive, no real change for the first mile or so noticed that everytime the speedo bounced the airbag light flashed not sure if connected? twards the end of the drive the speedometer did not seem to be moving near as much as before but still its not fixed...

Also replaced check engine light bulb and the light is on, but my attempts at pulling the code just lead to the error codes :/ not sure how to do it.
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

 Brett Foote
story-2

Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-3

Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

 Brett Foote
story-6

2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-7

10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

Top 10 Ford Trucks Coming to Mecum Indy 2026

 Brett Foote
story-9

5 Best / 5 Worst Ford Truck Wheels of All Time

 Joe Kucinski
Old Mar 8, 2013 | 06:42 PM
  #24  
subford's Avatar
subford
Fleet Owner
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Top Answer: 1
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 23,666
Likes: 301
From: Easton,Ks
This link should tell you how to get the codes:
Fuel Injection Technical Library » How To Run a Self-Test
/
 
Reply
Old Mar 20, 2013 | 01:57 PM
  #25  
Boger's Avatar
Boger
Thread Starter
|
Freshman User
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 25
Likes: 0
Alright sorry for late update, spring hit like a time bomb been working a-lot.

PSOM was infact my issue, wanted one with a tach so I bit the bullet and bought one out of a 95, bam issue gone.

I would like to thank you guys for your help, saved me 250 bucks I was quoted at repair shops for this.

now on to the front end and installing my new accumulator body.

But one last question, does anyone know the thread size/pitch of the jam nuts on the ends of the adjustment sleeves? Mine is missing two and everywhere I call they cannot give me a size

ALSO I forgot to say this the transmission is accually a AODE not sure if thats why it shifted normally or not.
 
Reply
Old Mar 20, 2013 | 05:45 PM
  #26  
Eddiec1564's Avatar
Eddiec1564
Cargo Master
15 Year Member
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 2,935
Likes: 34
From: Arcadia, Fla
Did you reprogram them PSOM for your tire size/ VSS tone ring? You may get lucky and get a PSOM with the same settings as your old one if not better verify the speed/ODO to see how far it is off.

Looking at your photo, looks like the capacitor has leaked acid out, its hard to tell from the angle of the photo. I have had that cap leak on my E350 and caused all kinds of tranny shifting and cruse control problems. I replace that cap but the PC board was dammaged from the acid. RIght now I'm getting ready to replace my PSOM but I will be swapping out the EEPROM to the new PSOM I have so I keep the milage and ratios for my vehicle.

I finaly have info about that EEPROM and in time will figure out how to reprogram it.....
 
Reply
Old Mar 20, 2013 | 06:48 PM
  #27  
subford's Avatar
subford
Fleet Owner
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Top Answer: 1
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 23,666
Likes: 301
From: Easton,Ks
Originally Posted by Eddiec1564
I finaly have info about that EEPROM and in time will figure out how to reprogram it.....
How about sharing the information with us or email it to me. I would love to see it.
My email address is at the bottom of this post.
 
Reply
Old Mar 20, 2013 | 08:22 PM
  #28  
Eddiec1564's Avatar
Eddiec1564
Cargo Master
15 Year Member
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 2,935
Likes: 34
From: Arcadia, Fla
Well I'm now mad, ole winblows crashed in Dec last year and I lost the info on the eeprom and bunch of other files....... just before I would do the backups of the HDD

Anyway good thing I had good ole notebook paper I used!

The PSOM eeprom appears to be a Microwire varient of the 93Cxx or 93LCxx varity

My notes show pin 1 is either CLOCK or Data
pin 2 is either DATA or CLOCK I only have a O-scope and can't tell the dii

pin 3 is a no connect in the PSOM
pin 4 not sure but the voltage was 1.8V
pin 5 is GND
pin 6 and 7 are no connect
pin 8 is VCC or 5VDC+

I have to relook up the files I once had for programming them. But I don't know how the data is stored in the EEPROM. Haven't gotten that far yet.

I do know the PSOM will write to the EEPROM when it powers down(key off) or every 10 Min it will auto save the data. My E350 Bus started to give crappy MPG(normal 8.6MPG) and I finaly discovered the milage was not being saved in the eeprom at key off!!! Every thing else worked fine. Took 4 months to figure that one out!

I have pulled the EEPROMS out and switched them between the boards with no affect at all. And even tested the PSOM with out a EEPROM, just get the -------- in the odo and the speedo meter bonks out(no ratio data from EEPROM), put EEPROM back in and it works fine.

Once I get back on my feet I'll get more involved(no space or $$$ to do much of anything).


Also by chance does anybody have the PDF copy of the A4LD update book? Or any of the Ford transmission PDF files?
 
Reply
Old Mar 27, 2013 | 05:22 PM
  #29  
Pappashine's Avatar
Pappashine
New User
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/2...-stalling.html

I have a 95 E350 Club wagon and am in need of help. I too have the bouncing speedo. I did the usual quick fix by changing the VSS, with no results. I have now pulled my cluster as it looked to be the fix in the thread above. It seemed to be a problem that was solved by a few people in that thread. I am now concerned that this was not mentioned anywhere in this thread. I cannot find the yellow piece that they are talking about. The thread is old and the main players havent posted since 2005ish. Please post or send me pictures if this has been your solution. Thanks
 
Reply
Old Mar 27, 2013 | 08:21 PM
  #30  
subford's Avatar
subford
Fleet Owner
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Top Answer: 1
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 23,666
Likes: 301
From: Easton,Ks
The upper right corner has a yellow diode. That is what they were talking about coming loose.


/
 
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:38 AM.

story-0
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

Slideshow: Top 10 Ford truck tragedies.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-18 19:34:33


VIEW MORE
story-1
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

And it might be even better than that.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-18 19:26:42


VIEW MORE
story-2
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

Slideshow: Does lowering an F-150 Lobo RUIN the ride quality?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-18 19:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-3
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE
story-5
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

Slideshow: first look at the 810 hp 2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road!

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-12 12:50:07


VIEW MORE
story-6
2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

Slideshow: Everything You Need to Know about the 2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-07 17:51:06


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

Slideshow: 10 most surprising Ford truck options/features in 2026.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:17:22


VIEW MORE
story-8
Top 10 Ford Trucks Coming to Mecum Indy 2026

Slideshow: Here are the top 10 Fords coming to Mecum Indy 2026.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-04 13:49:49


VIEW MORE
story-9
5 Best / 5 Worst Ford Truck Wheels of All Time

Slideshow: The 5 best and 5 worst Ford truck wheels of all time

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-29 16:49:01


VIEW MORE