Lets talk about "Ether"....
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Hotshot
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What does that have to do with a 7.3 ?
Logic tells me rings wont break unless they hit something ...
Again , I doubt it ... Weren't the detroits 2 stroke ?If so , there was plenty of lubrication , more than needed ...
Laughing Gas
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From: oklahoma
My 96 when i got it would'nt start if it was 60 outside without it. fixed the GP relay and it helped alot. Now with a fresh motor and all GP's working it will start in 0 degree's with out being pluged in.
The 97 on the other hand wont start without it because of the injector's not firing right (working on that) it has 8 good plugs in it.so i have used a few can's on it. like when i put the injectors in it i had the hose from aircleaner off an just misted it into the turbo while cranking it over and ran it on it till the injector's picked up fuel and oil. maybe 1 or 2 min. Don't think it will hurt them as long as you don't spray the **** out of it and try an start it. Did that years ago on a john deere and locked the motor up till it cleared out. my first incounter with a diesel for a guy i worked for back in the mid 80's
The 97 on the other hand wont start without it because of the injector's not firing right (working on that) it has 8 good plugs in it.so i have used a few can's on it. like when i put the injectors in it i had the hose from aircleaner off an just misted it into the turbo while cranking it over and ran it on it till the injector's picked up fuel and oil. maybe 1 or 2 min. Don't think it will hurt them as long as you don't spray the **** out of it and try an start it. Did that years ago on a john deere and locked the motor up till it cleared out. my first incounter with a diesel for a guy i worked for back in the mid 80's
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From: Ashland City, TN
the 2strokes were beasts and very efficient.
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Hotshot
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From: Ashland City, TN
This works the same for gas or diesel motors when starting with either, it gets into the oil if it doesn't all burn off if you douse the engine to hard with it.
It's like putting keroseene in the diesel fuel then running the motor.
It will lock up.
Hotshot
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From: evansville in
This has nothing to do with 7.3's but a friend of mine ethered his brotheres dmax...he then bought his brother a new engine after it grabbed a hand full of haul a$$ and went to dallas...happened so fast he said nothing he could do..under the hood and ZING!!! POW!
Post Fiend
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From: Livoina,La
I just talked to my old boss and this is his words
Either was known to break Detroit rings, especially on the later 92 series where the top ring was called a fire ring and was very close to the top of the piston and the use of ether would crack them. That is how they became dependant on ether, they would lose compression until it took either to start them every time.
Either was known to break Detroit rings, especially on the later 92 series where the top ring was called a fire ring and was very close to the top of the piston and the use of ether would crack them. That is how they became dependant on ether, they would lose compression until it took either to start them every time.
Mountain Pass
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From: Western Ma
I consider it a simple tool and if used properly it'll get you there in a jam. I used it to start when I had a hot-no-start issue this past summer. Since I have my GP's out of the start circuit, I just gave her light puffs right on the 6637 as I cranked it over.
Posting Guru
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From: Braham MN
Here is my logic....
In 1963 International Harvestor rolled out the model 806 tractor, it had a factory 360 CID 6 cylinder diesel with ETHER start assist STANDARD... Ether assist was factory installed on every diesel after that well into the 2005 era. after that I don't know if its still availabe but the new emission engines needed better smoke control so they switched to glow plugs.
If IH felt it was ok to let farmer joe have it on his tractor and still warantee it, then ether must not wear an engine out like everyone claims....
I used to use ether all the time on my 97, most of the GP's were shot.
Diesel Rod
In 1963 International Harvestor rolled out the model 806 tractor, it had a factory 360 CID 6 cylinder diesel with ETHER start assist STANDARD... Ether assist was factory installed on every diesel after that well into the 2005 era. after that I don't know if its still availabe but the new emission engines needed better smoke control so they switched to glow plugs.
If IH felt it was ok to let farmer joe have it on his tractor and still warantee it, then ether must not wear an engine out like everyone claims....
I used to use ether all the time on my 97, most of the GP's were shot.
Diesel Rod
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From: Ashland City, TN
Here is my logic....
In 1963 International Harvestor rolled out the model 806 tractor, it had a factory 360 CID 6 cylinder diesel with ETHER start assist STANDARD... Ether assist was factory installed on every diesel after that well into the 2005 era. after that I don't know if its still availabe but the new emission engines needed better smoke control so they switched to glow plugs.
If IH felt it was ok to let farmer joe have it on his tractor and still warantee it, then ether must not wear an engine out like everyone claims....
I used to use ether all the time on my 97, most of the GP's were shot.
Diesel Rod
In 1963 International Harvestor rolled out the model 806 tractor, it had a factory 360 CID 6 cylinder diesel with ETHER start assist STANDARD... Ether assist was factory installed on every diesel after that well into the 2005 era. after that I don't know if its still availabe but the new emission engines needed better smoke control so they switched to glow plugs.
If IH felt it was ok to let farmer joe have it on his tractor and still warantee it, then ether must not wear an engine out like everyone claims....
I used to use ether all the time on my 97, most of the GP's were shot.
Diesel Rod
I've always been against it because of pre det with glow plugs.
People have been doing it for years without issue.
But of course, just as anything, doing it in moderation is important.
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From: Michigan
I think the engine will run backwards if the starter spins it backwards. one time while i was in the army, i was driving a deuce and my foot slipped off the clutch the engine almost died but i was able to stab the clutch and just save it. well it must have been at TDC when i caught it because it came back to life running backwards. the only way I could get it to go forwards was to put it in reverse. I had 1 forward gear and 4 reverse. lol craziest thing i ever seen happen. fix was simple just kill the engine and restart. Ive never had to use ether on my stroker. but those army trucks, some of em had ether dispensers built into the engine.