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#16
I understand that is the conventional wisdom, but my question is that if the water for the heater core is drawn from the block and the thermostat is closed when the engine is below operating temperature, why would changing the temperature of the coolant in the radiator which is not circulating make a difference in warmup time? Is it because it reduces air circulation around the engine block and this reduces cooling? I have never been able to understand this.
#17
Living in Montana, we're of course prone to temperatures well below zero, so cold that the engine on some vehicles can't get up to full operating temperature and as a result the heater in the vehicle doesn't put out near as much heat as normal, hence the card board in front of the radiator to reduce the heat loss of the engine to where full operating temperature can be achieved. This is something I've done since I've owned vehicles, and pretty much everyone else I know does also. Of course this can vary from vehicle to vehicle, for example, some vehicles, it may become an issue at -10, others not until -25 or colder. it just depends on the vehicle. I had an old Buick once that if it got below -10 you had to do this otherwise you'd freeze to death because of the lack of heat from the heater, on the other hand, I had an old Ford van where I never had to use card board, even at -40. Ether way, no matter what means you use to block the radiator, you need to know when to pull the card board, i.e. at a certain outside temperature or by monitoring the engine temperature other wise if you forget, your engine can overheat.
A few years ago I came across a car load of girls pulled off the side of the highway with their car overheating, being a gentleman I thought I'd pull over and help them out, the fact that it was a car full of girls had some influence on my decision to help also. Anyway I asked them to pop the hood on their car (had to show them how to do it), and what do you know, a piece of card board in front of their radiator with an outside temperature of +35. They said their dad put it in and they forgot about it, and of course being the type of girls had no idea what they're looking at under a hood let alone even knowing how to open the hood never would have figured it out on their own. Luckily they didn't fry the engine in the process, so after pulling the card board, filling them up with some antifreeze they where back on their way,
A few years ago I came across a car load of girls pulled off the side of the highway with their car overheating, being a gentleman I thought I'd pull over and help them out, the fact that it was a car full of girls had some influence on my decision to help also. Anyway I asked them to pop the hood on their car (had to show them how to do it), and what do you know, a piece of card board in front of their radiator with an outside temperature of +35. They said their dad put it in and they forgot about it, and of course being the type of girls had no idea what they're looking at under a hood let alone even knowing how to open the hood never would have figured it out on their own. Luckily they didn't fry the engine in the process, so after pulling the card board, filling them up with some antifreeze they where back on their way,
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#19
24 is getting a little warm to be doing the card board trick, this usually isn't something that's needed until its well below zero, having card board in front of the radiator at 24 degs, you start running the risk of overheating. At 24 degs your temperature should be coming up to normal operating temperature just fine, sure it's going to take longer than it would at say 40 degs I don't think 10 minutes to warm up is to far out of line, especially if you have a diesel, which are built quite a bit stouter than a gasoline engines, which means there's quite a bit more metal to heat up.
#20
^^ yes.
Even the block heater is only mentioned at less than 0°F.
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Even the block heater is only mentioned at less than 0°F.
Originally Posted by FMC 2011 F350 Manual 4th Edition
ENGINE BLOCK HEATER (IF EQUIPPED)
An engine block heater warms the engine coolant which aids in starting
and allows the heater/defroster system to respond quickly. If your vehicle
is equipped with this system, your equipment includes a heater element
which is installed in your engine block and a wire harness which allows
the user to connect the system to a grounded 120 volt A/C electrical
source. The block heater system is most effective when outdoor
temperatures reach below 0°F (-18°C).
For flexible fuel vehicles, if operating with E85 ethanol, an engine block
heater must be used if ambient temperature is below 0°F (-18°C).
An engine block heater warms the engine coolant which aids in starting
and allows the heater/defroster system to respond quickly. If your vehicle
is equipped with this system, your equipment includes a heater element
which is installed in your engine block and a wire harness which allows
the user to connect the system to a grounded 120 volt A/C electrical
source. The block heater system is most effective when outdoor
temperatures reach below 0°F (-18°C).
For flexible fuel vehicles, if operating with E85 ethanol, an engine block
heater must be used if ambient temperature is below 0°F (-18°C).
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