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I didn't insult anyone Rick and I don't care about reps. These grammar bashing parties have been beaten to death.

I've said before, if I can understand what the poster is trying to say then I'm good. I'm not a scholar, a professor or even a licensed school teacher so far be it for me to correct or even complain about one's grammar or spelling.

 

Forget grammar, let's talk about word usage as it applies to asking for the correct thing. As a machinist details are everything to me. There's nothing quite like getting a work order for a part from an engineer who asks for some holes on the part to be "counter-bored". For those that don't know, counter-boring is cutting a square-edged, round bottom pocket into a part, allowing regular bolts to sit below the surface of the part. Because they are engineers and know everything (just ask) I crank out the part, ship it out, only to have it come right back (boomerang!) because the dip-stick actually meant "counter-sink" which allows a flat-head allen screw to sit flush with the top. Instant paper weight. Details in communication matter.

 

Same here about this bashing BS but once again we see this elitism rearing its head, to wit: \/ \/ \/

Agreed it has little to do with education but while many of us learned our grammar and spelling lessons there are some NOT provided our exact same opportunities nor do they have our supposed capacity to grasp and put into use those lessons. Lazy people do abound and thanks in part to the nonsensical "text speak" and every other abbreviated form of written communications we're teaching an entire generation its okay to be sloppy.

Assuming everyone who posts on an internet forum is exactly the same or should is where the foolhardy arrogance of pretending to be well educated chaps my hindquarters. Imagine some unlucky individual seriously needing truck help, finds his/her way here initially thinking its a great site, plenty of helpful folks all around. Not so well educated as long timers believe they are this thread (or its like posted over and over) and then sees another side of these so-called helpful individuals. Being mocked is NOT what FTE is about or should be about IMHO.

As Sandman points out though there are SOME occasions where people need to "speak the same language"--his example shows the wrong terms can be problematic to an endeavor. Yet this same example has nothing to do with spelling, grammar or education its simply two (or more) people not understanding what are thought to be common terms. This is the fault of the larger organization that should have established what a counter bore is as opposed to a countersink operation. Engineers aren't perfect despite their claims otherwise, that was a good time to set an example and produce a teachable moment not to mention claiming bragging rights too!

So I guess there are some who'll continue to feel its necessary to bash others they don't feel are putting their best effort forward, that poor spelling and grammar automatically indicate something. In my long life I've learned to listen to the person, not be so quick to judge or criticize them for not be just like me. From that simple action I hope to show respect for another person and not make a fool of myself by showing a mean-spirited, judgmental, petty side that tends to completely derail any real or good potential for conversation or exchange of ideas.

FWIW our own Supreme Moderator IB Tim once posted a reply using "your" when in context it should have been "you are......" Maybe the brave ones here need to ferret that one out and make light of it huh? C'mon----I dare you!

 

Wow, I never intended to start a big controversy over education; As I said, I was simply venting my frustration. That's why this is under "General NON-Automotive Conversation". No names were mentioned. If you think this is mean, you should try being a new member on the S197 Mustang forum and not knowing how to post. They will chew you up and spit you out over there...

I think there are few "poor souls" on FTE forums, all are adults, mostly American MEN, and by virtue of the fact that they are here at all, they have access to a computer and the internet, and they are smart enough to use it!

I'm fairly sure I'm not an "elite". I don't have a top floor-corner office on Wall Street. I was educated in a government run, public school like most of us, and I don't have a masters degree. I make a lot of mistakes, but I learn from them, and take responsibility as an adult, and a professional.

What has made us great- in my view- is raising expectations, demanding excellence, and helping others to rise up to excellence.

Sorry, I don't have a bleeding heart for any adult American MAN who can afford a 10, 20, 30, 40, or $50,000+ truck, knows how to use a computer and the internet, but doesn't know the difference between "your, and you're".

I'm seeing professional broadcasters on TV using the the words, "whole nother", and professional writers in books and magazines who misuse "there", and "they're". That's another thing that's causing me to pull my last hair out!

 

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I come on here every day for some relaxation and fellowship and to hopefully learn a little along the way as well.

I call everyone here friend and friends don't judge.

As for professional broadcasters, I fully agree. If your income is in the broadcasting world, then you have no excuse but to get it right everytime.

 

Maybe it's an age thing. I'm 50 and was always taught that ALL people judge you, for better or worse, by your ability to communicate via written or spoken communication. Try using text jargon on your resume' and see how that works out. Throw in a lot of four-letter words for your next report at work and I'll bet you get to meet the HR manager sooner than you think. I let the "your-you're" stuff slide as well as the occasionally misspelled word because it's not that big of a deal and we all do it from time to time. But made-up words (irregardless) and hard-to-read, run-on sentences with zero capitalization (or worse, all caps) and no punctuation aren't worth my time to try to decipher. I'd sooner try to crack the Zodiac killer's cryptic messages than some of the stuff I see, so I don't bother. Life's simply too short to get all bound up over grammar and spelling as if I were being graded.

 

Agreed and well said sir. BTW, I'm 51 and I was taught much like yourself.

Perhaps working as a letter carrier in my area of town has worn me down a bit or even softened me some. In my profession, we deliver mail that is mispelled, improperly addressed and incompetely addressed. If we were that picky, I'll wager that 30% of the mail wouldn't get delivered. That wouldn't be real professional either.

Peace brothers and sisters.

 

You read quite a bit into a simple post ..

That "is " what school & "parents " are for ..

So you would be happy if your kids went out in the world like this ?

Should they always post a disclaimer when typing or filling out forms or apps ?

OP is entitled to his opinion , you are just wrong in defending poor behavior in any format . You tell us to get off the high horse yet you are on one yourself .

No one in my life ever needed to (or had to) make excuses for them or our selves . You seem to think it is preferred ...

 

I wasn't aware this is a common occurrence..

 

Elitism?? Are you kidding me? Take it to the extreme very often??

The guy was venting. He didn't bash any one person or call anybody out.

Bro, you have got a king size chip on your shoulder based on that post, regarding this topic.

It chaps your hide when someone vents about this subject yet you have no problem taking that person to task for doing so. What you did was an attack on him. What he did was vent.

Why would he? He didn't single anyone out in his post, but now you want him to? Even dare him to single someone out, like you're singling him out?

As for Tim, he's posted many times he isn't the best speller. And he HAS been teased about it before.

You didn't, don't worry.

Stewart

 

Too bad I have to spread it around Stuart ...

 

I got him for both of us Rick.

 

...looks around....

Who's that?



Stewart

 

We all vent and rant in our own ways---right?