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Old Jan 5, 2013 | 10:45 AM
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At least, since you're working on a 52, you don't have the added hassle of the linkage running through dash support brackets like on the 48-50 cabs.
You can see where my bracketry and and dash have been cleverly smoked open by a previous owner
 
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Old Jan 5, 2013 | 12:47 PM
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At least, since you're working on a 52, you don't have the added hassle of the linkage running through dash support brackets like on the 48-50 cabs.
You can see where my bracketry and and dash have been cleverly smoked open by a previous owner
Yes, it could have been trimmed neater.

Well I have spent the morning trying to make this idea of mine for the wipers work and I can clearly see that it will not, when they initially designed this wiper set-up they make it so compact for the reason of there just being no room under there. I am not going to butcher the truck to make something work and at this point my time and what I know will be the end result will satisfy me less than the feeling of having the original equip. re-worked.

If the flip up cowl vent was not in the way than maybe it could happen but without butchering that and maybe some braces and vents under there it just is not going to happen.

One thing I just learned that I thought was interesting is that in 52 electric were an option, not alot of trucks came with electric, most were vacuum. I thought you could buy an electric conversion kit which meant that I would remove my 6 volt motor from my assy and then place a 12 volt in its place.

I was wrong, the kits being sold are to replace the vacuum set-up and come with all new brackets/linkages ect.

I like this even less, there is nothing wrong with the set-up I have, it looks like new and I am sure has seen very little use. I am not going to shizcan it and put in its place an aftermarket wiper kit which I am sure will have to be made to fit and may look hokey to me every time I crawl under the dash.

I am going to look into other alternatives, the aftermarket kits can be had for about 200 bucks, I would rather put the 200 bucks into having my motor re-wound if I knew it were being done right and would last as long as I needed it.

If anyone knows of a place that does this sort of work please let me know, I am not having any luck here locally.

I am going to ask for some advice on this on the bullnose forum as well, there are some electrical geniuses over there as well. Thanks
 
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Old Jan 5, 2013 | 01:38 PM
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Read this post. One of those resistors in the power feed to your stock system will drop voltage to exactly what you need, no other changes. The wipers draw 4 - 4.5 amps, do the math you'll see this is the resistance you need. The resistors are made to run all day without issues. Mine doesn't even get past warm test-running the wipers. https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...ml#post9640819

Once you get it running you'll find that the real problem is the splined hubs the wiper arms attach to. They slip on the pivot stems. Dennis Carpenter is the only source for new splined hubs and he wants $40 EACH. I'm sure the new ones slip as much as the old ones. Now maybe you see why $300 for a brand new system isn't out of line?

Besides the Jeep and Girling cable-drive options mentioned here, past threads have described using the older VW Beetle systems. They are all out there, use Advanced Search on this forum to find them.
 
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Old Jan 5, 2013 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ALBUQ F-1
Read this post. One of those resistors in the power feed to your stock system will drop voltage to exactly what you need, no other changes. The wipers draw 4 - 4.5 amps, do the math you'll see this is the resistance you need. The resistors are made to run all day without issues. Mine doesn't even get past warm test-running the wipers. https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...ml#post9640819

Once you get it running you'll find that the real problem is the splined hubs the wiper arms attach to. They slip on the pivot stems. Dennis Carpenter is the only source for new splined hubs and he wants $40 EACH. I'm sure the new ones slip as much as the old ones. Now maybe you see why $300 for a brand new system isn't out of line?

Besides the Jeep and Girling cable-drive options mentioned here, past threads have described using the older VW Beetle systems. They are all out there, use Advanced Search on this forum to find them.
Thanks, I am going to continue reading more about the resistors ect.

As far as the wiper motors go yes there is alot of info avail for the 48-50 and the 53 and up but I have read time and again that the 51 an 52s are the lone rangers, I could not find any posts that anyone had made where they had replaced their existing 6 volt wiper assy with anything else other than the ready made kits. If you are able to find anything and post a link than it would be appreciated.

I do not think I will have a problem with hubs or what not, the truck has seen very little use, things are just not worn out on it.
 
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Old Jan 5, 2013 | 05:50 PM
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48-50 are the hard ones, because of the braces. Anythiing that fits a 48-50 will work on a 51-52, but not vice-versa
 
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Old Jan 5, 2013 | 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ALBUQ F-1
48-50 are the hard ones, because of the braces. Anythiing that fits a 48-50 will work on a 51-52, but not vice-versa
I have read post after post from members with the 51 and 52s that have said that these trucks are all to their own in many respects. If a post does exist where someone has successfully installed a 12 volt wiper system in a 51 or 52 truck that they did not buy ready made than I would like to find it.

I did find mention of a VW wiper motor being used but the post just mentioned a prior post and gave no details, an advanced search of VW wiper motor was useless.

I have tried and will continue trying the advanced search deal using different keywords. If the info has been already discussed and a usable solution has been already reviewed than please copy and paste the link here so that we can see it. Thanks
 
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Old Jan 5, 2013 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 1930 Dodge
I have read post after post from members with the 51 and 52s that have said that these trucks are all to their own.

Well in this particular case, what you read is wrong. Albuq F-1 is one of the absolute best on this forum about this subject and many more. Any wiper setup that will fit a 48-50 will indeed fit a 51-52, but not always vice versa due to the bracing under the dash. The guys on this forum have been fooling with these trucks for a very long time. They know what they're talking about.
 
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Old Jan 5, 2013 | 08:18 PM
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What's wrong with the resistor solution?
 
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Old Jan 5, 2013 | 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ALBUQ F-1
What's wrong with the resistor solution?
Nothing at all, I would like to know what all of my options are though, here is a post you made in 2010...... ALBUQ F-1
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I took out my 6 volt electric wipers (my truck was produced with a 223 IL6 electric wipers was an option with the 6 - the 239s had vacuum wipers) ........


FYI - electric wipers were an option on all '51 - '52's. Mine came with the electrics and a V8.

I've long had a plan to adapt a common GM, Ford, or Chrysler wiper assembly to my, to get all the features (I'm sure that's what Newport does). If you stick with the stock wiper pivots and the linkage arm that's attached to them, you are really limited. The linkage arm on the stock pivot is very short because of a dash brace and the fresh air cowl vent that run right across that area. I've given up on that idea and will likely use the Lucas cable-drive type, adapted from an MG/Triumph/etc. But I only need wipers about 2x a year, it isn't high on my list.




This was your idea, this is my idea now, you say here that you gave up on the idea because of linkages, cowl vent ect, this was also my findings and I stated these a few posts back, have you since then found a usable solution, if anything from 48 -52 are the same and you were looking to do this conversion back then than why give up on it?

Is it just the resistor that you have now found to work?
 
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Old Jan 5, 2013 | 08:36 PM
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Here is another interesting tid-bit......... 01-20-2010, 05:05 PM
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Keep in mind that the 48-50 trucks have different linkage than the 51/52 trucks. On the 48-50 trucks (either with single or dual wipers) the wiper motor is mounted on the drivers side right at the stalk and not in the center of the dash.

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Old Jan 5, 2013 | 08:52 PM
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I am sure this is all getting confusing, if a post does exist where someone has an original 51 or 52 truck 6 volt wiper motor and they have converted their system to 12 volt by any means other than picking up a catalog and getting their credit card out and gives the details of what they used and maybe how they used it than I do not know here it is.

I have done searches using what key words I could come up with and have had no luck.
 
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Old Jan 6, 2013 | 05:36 AM
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I am sure this is all getting confusing, if a post does exist where someone has an original 51 or 52 truck 6 volt wiper motor and they have converted their system to 12 volt by any means other than picking up a catalog and getting their credit card out and gives the details of what they used and maybe how they used it than I do not know here it is.

I have done searches using what key words I could come up with and have had no luck.
My Jag/Mini etc cable-driven solution does all of what you are asking for, plus will fit in ANY F truck, by just adjusting the length of hard tube between the two 'wheel boxes'. It also does away with the stock wiper pivot shafts, so thats another bonus.

I'd guess the whole lot would cost less than a Benjamin at a self-serve wreckers....Spend a half hour pulling one out of a car, and you should see how they work!

Granted, I've never done a step-by-step tech article, but if you cant figure it out from my pix, you're likely not capable of installing an "off-the-shelf" kit either?
 
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Old Jan 6, 2013 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Oz52F1
My Jag/Mini etc cable-driven solution does all of what you are asking for, plus will fit in ANY F truck, by just adjusting the length of hard tube between the two 'wheel boxes'. It also does away with the stock wiper pivot shafts, so thats another bonus.

I'd guess the whole lot would cost less than a Benjamin at a self-serve wreckers....Spend a half hour pulling one out of a car, and you should see how they work!

Granted, I've never done a step-by-step tech article, but if you cant figure it out from my pix, you're likely not capable of installing an "off-the-shelf" kit either?
OH I can get it installed but can you please be more specific on the year of vehicle, in your original post you said 60s and 70s. This leaves alot to the imagination, I did look at your pictures and well taken but I know nothing about these vehicles of this vintage so if you could help clear this up it would be a big help.

Easier to look for a part when I have an idea of specifically what I should be looking for, thanks again
 
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Old Jan 6, 2013 | 08:20 AM
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If your 6 volt wipers work and you have converted to 12 volt,why don't you install a 6 volt 12 volt from antiqueautobattery.com 800 426 7580. I used one in a 38 Packard that used 12 volts for starting and 6 volts for every thing else. It has three terminals,ground,6 volt,and 12 volt.Run 12 volt off the key switch and have a relay that opens when the key switch is on,to power up 6 volt stuff.
 
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