bell housing question
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The bellhousing will bolt on, however, depending on what year the 460 is(internal vs external balance) you may have issues with flywheel clearance. Crank stickout is 1/2" longer on a 79 and later engine, so you need to space the bellhousing the same amount or use a factory 460 bell.
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The bellhousing will bolt on, however, depending on what year the 460 is(internal vs external balance) you may have issues with flywheel clearance. Crank stickout is 1/2" longer on a 79 and later engine, so you need to space the bellhousing the same amount or use a factory 460 bell.
Last edited by Gary Lewis; Dec 27, 2012 at 08:47 AM. Reason: Correct my mistake
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I think there's only hydraulic bell housings for 460's.
Before hydraulics there were only automatics.
Before hydraulics there were only automatics.
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First year 460 available w/a M/T: 1983. 1968/82 460's were only available w/a C6. 1983/97 460's use a hydraulic clutch.
FoMoCo changed the 460 mid-year 1979, has a weighted spacer. Block casting number is: D9TE-6015-AB
The flywheel (flexplate) and harmonic balancer are different than with the C8VE, C9VE, D0VE & D1VE-6015-AB (D1VE: 1971/78, some 1979's) block casting numbers, that do not have a weighted spacer.
There are no before/from serial numbers or production dates, as the D9TE block was a running changeover.
Passenger Car 460's are not affected since the 460 wasn't available after 1978.
FoMoCo changed the 460 mid-year 1979, has a weighted spacer. Block casting number is: D9TE-6015-AB
The flywheel (flexplate) and harmonic balancer are different than with the C8VE, C9VE, D0VE & D1VE-6015-AB (D1VE: 1971/78, some 1979's) block casting numbers, that do not have a weighted spacer.
There are no before/from serial numbers or production dates, as the D9TE block was a running changeover.
Passenger Car 460's are not affected since the 460 wasn't available after 1978.
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The hydro clutch bell can be made to work with a linkage setup without any major re-working, as it is still an external slave setup.
The input shaft on all the 4 speeds are the same, 1-1/16th" 10 spline, there is no 460 specific input. The ZF5 speeds do have a larger input at 1-1/8", but all of them do, smallblock, 460 and diesel.
The input shaft on all the 4 speeds are the same, 1-1/16th" 10 spline, there is no 460 specific input. The ZF5 speeds do have a larger input at 1-1/8", but all of them do, smallblock, 460 and diesel.
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No. The mounts, the things that bolt to the engine, are different. But worse yet, the perches that bolt and rivet to the frame are different. And they can be fun getting off.
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I am the one that perpetuated that the splines had different counts between the t19/460 diesels and the smaller engines. I thought for sure I found that out in some of the parts listings in the clutch kits. But I looked again and you are correct, they are all the same. Sorry about that everyone. I do not like giving out bad information, it can cause a lot of unnecessary grief and money.
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I am the one that perpetuated that the splines had different counts between the t19/460 diesels and the smaller engines. I thought for sure I found that out in some of the parts listings in the clutch kits. But I looked again and you are correct, they are all the same. Sorry about that everyone. I do not like giving out bad information, it can cause a lot of unnecessary grief and money.
My thoughts when I first saw that... different spline counts on different transmissions... my thoughts were, wouldn't that mean there were different crankshafts used to accommodate the different input shafts? Yet, I don't recall ever hearing about or having seen any discussions on X-splined cranks as opposed to Y-splined cranks....
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Yes, there is a big difference in the distance the flywheel sits aft of the block on a 460 vs 351M/400. So, if your tranny has a separate bell housing you will need one from a 460. But, if you go with a transmission out of a 460 you will find that the input shaft on a 460's manual transmission is larger in diameter as well, so it takes a different clutch.