LSD or are they lying?
Logistics Pro
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From: Panama City, FL
Wouldn't you think the inspector would make them take off the sticker because of people who drive 07 and up diesels would think they cant use that diesel and would have to go somewhere else?
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From: North of Greenville
Yes, I would expect that. However, I would not necessarily assume that the inspector is doing his/her job for whatever reason (i.e. too many places to inspect, etc.?).
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From: North of Greenville
They are not regulated by the US EPA, so they are not obligated to change. However, depending upon where they purchase fuel from, they may be running it unknowingly.
Tuned
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From: Ness city Kansas
i do know there are a few refinerys in the usa that make the 500ppm lsd.. they are small ones not big corporation ones,, and in the farm industry the red fuel is now ulsd because as of modle year 2011 farm equip had to go to tier3stage3b emissions with dps and docs as long with some urea john deere will not use urea until my2014 because it wil be required right now deere uses a twin turbo design onw a vgt and one a fixed with a doc and a dpf NO UREA!!! and you have to burn 15ppm diesel and a cj-4 compliant engine oil such as the john deere plus 50II 15-40 or the Synthetic Plus 50II 0-40 "thats what i run in my 7.3" but 500ppm is available in places but not here in west central kansas as far as i have found
Laughing Gas
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From: Dallas, Oregon
Exports of Diesel Fuel Surge
The practicalities involved in producing the two different diesel fuels have driven production to generally ULSD only. However, from what I understand, the regs do allow off-road LSD use up until 2014. Generally speaking, though, I expect that most of the refineries have already completed the switch.
Again, I am just applying my manufacturing experience where multiple products have to be manufactured to different specifications, and issues like inventory space, raw material supply, process inefficiencies between switch-overs from one grade to the next, etc., all come into play. Shoot, I've even seen a number of companies continue making the more specification-restrictive product and simply relabel it as the "old" product just to avoid the complications that can happen from switching product grades. All the while, the customer thinks they're getting the "old" product while they are really getting the one with the tighter specifications.
Again, I am just applying my manufacturing experience where multiple products have to be manufactured to different specifications, and issues like inventory space, raw material supply, process inefficiencies between switch-overs from one grade to the next, etc., all come into play. Shoot, I've even seen a number of companies continue making the more specification-restrictive product and simply relabel it as the "old" product just to avoid the complications that can happen from switching product grades. All the while, the customer thinks they're getting the "old" product while they are really getting the one with the tighter specifications.
You have to research this on the internet by looking at technical reports because there is very little mentioned in the mainstream media.
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