egr cooler time???
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egr cooler time???
well it must be time.losing water but not in the oil
white diesel smelling smoke pouring out the exaust
what is the best prices but good stuff to replace it?
egr delete is recomended right?
mine is a 2005 F250
white diesel smelling smoke pouring out the exaust
what is the best prices but good stuff to replace it?
egr delete is recomended right?
mine is a 2005 F250
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Before you start shopping around for EGR deletes, find out the deltas of the ECT/EOT. You may find out the oil cooler is shot and needs replacing. While you are collecting your ECT/EOT delta data, check your FICMv, and FP. This would require a monitor solution.
Now depending on where you live will determine if you can sneak by with deleting the EGR.
Depending on the 05 strategy, you may have to get a tuner to keep the CEL off because of the EGR delete.
Now depending on where you live will determine if you can sneak by with deleting the EGR.
Depending on the 05 strategy, you may have to get a tuner to keep the CEL off because of the EGR delete.
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Pull egr valve and see if it is wet in there. If it is in fact the egr cooler, always replace the oil cooler while in there
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i talked to a local mechanic today and his opinion was the egr cooler because of the white smoke and losing coolant
i have a scan gauge and deltas are ok but i plan to replace oil cooler at the same time
i wanna do this one time and do it right
so tell me if im replacing egr cooler or delete why delete if i buy the bullit proof cooler it looks alot better than oem to me
i have a scan gauge and deltas are ok but i plan to replace oil cooler at the same time
i wanna do this one time and do it right
so tell me if im replacing egr cooler or delete why delete if i buy the bullit proof cooler it looks alot better than oem to me
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Delete vs upgraded cooler doesn't have a correct answer that fits everyone's situation. Functioning EGR clearly soots up your engine, reduces power, and contributes to wear. However, the delete is illegal everywhere (exception for off road use). Some parts of the country inspect for it, some don't. So it depends on where you are, and how you feel about being a law breaker. ( no offense meant to anyone, some of my best friends are criminals 
lol)
The upgraded coolers have the tubes inside like the early 6.0 had in the round cooler. They fail much less often, but recently there have been some posts questioning their ability to transfer the heat out of the EGR gasses quickly enough. So even that option has a grey cloud over it.
lol)The upgraded coolers have the tubes inside like the early 6.0 had in the round cooler. They fail much less often, but recently there have been some posts questioning their ability to transfer the heat out of the EGR gasses quickly enough. So even that option has a grey cloud over it.
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Get RID Of IT LOL
An EGR System works for a Gassers but Unleaded fuel burns alot cleaner
With an EGR System on a Diesel your dumping Soot back in to the cylinders just like Rusty is Saying
All the soot works its way past the rings on piston and goes into the Oil then the Main concern here is Lifter bearings getting trashed being the Main thing IMO and just hard on everything
Plus its a Detune of the engine a whole other Can of Worms here
Now In therory a EGR System is suppposed to reduce Emissions (NOx) mainly IIRC Well Of Coarse it Does that your pumping a Non Combustable Gas back in cylinders
But Could the same Emissions Gases be reduceed by Backing the Turbo and Injectors Off alittle Shure it can What way does it better IDK or Care
There is a Fine Line here IMO Maybe EGR reduces emissions gas Better than Detune IDK My Bottom line is EGR is Hard on everything and I have to pay for Repairs or Buy a New truck when this one wornout so I am all for things that can Increase Longevity
An EGR System works for a Gassers but Unleaded fuel burns alot cleaner
With an EGR System on a Diesel your dumping Soot back in to the cylinders just like Rusty is Saying
All the soot works its way past the rings on piston and goes into the Oil then the Main concern here is Lifter bearings getting trashed being the Main thing IMO and just hard on everything
Plus its a Detune of the engine a whole other Can of Worms here
Now In therory a EGR System is suppposed to reduce Emissions (NOx) mainly IIRC Well Of Coarse it Does that your pumping a Non Combustable Gas back in cylinders
But Could the same Emissions Gases be reduceed by Backing the Turbo and Injectors Off alittle Shure it can What way does it better IDK or Care
There is a Fine Line here IMO Maybe EGR reduces emissions gas Better than Detune IDK My Bottom line is EGR is Hard on everything and I have to pay for Repairs or Buy a New truck when this one wornout so I am all for things that can Increase Longevity
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thanks guys i think i will delete
first im going to comfirm things by removing the egr valve this weekend
first im going to comfirm things by removing the egr valve this weekend
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I twist it counterclockwise so the "ears" stick out, take two small pry bars and apply just enough pressure to break the seal and then pull it out by hand.
I'm sure one of the other guys has a better secret but that's how I've been doing it.
Hope that helps!
I'm sure one of the other guys has a better secret but that's how I've been doing it.
Hope that helps!
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If it hasn't been out for a while a ring of soot-carbon around the inside can make it a bit of a booger. Some turn it until the bolt tabs are misaligned with the mount holes in the intake and run a piece of wire through the holes to make a handle (like on a paint can) and then leverage it out with a piece of pipe or a big screwdriver prying against the alternator. Others prefer to pry it out from the bottom using two small pry bars. The small inexpensive ones from Home improvement store work ok. Many will eventually come out by twisting and rocking sided to side while pulling up, it just takes some elbow grease.
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thanks rusty
ok i got it out and it really doesnt look that bad to me there is a little build up on it but not that bad
here is my question though
i was told inside where the egr valve was should be wet if the egr cooler is leaking
well its dry so now what?
ok i got it out and it really doesnt look that bad to me there is a little build up on it but not that bad
here is my question though
i was told inside where the egr valve was should be wet if the egr cooler is leaking
well its dry so now what?
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In your first post you said your white smoke smelled like fuel... Unless I'm mistaken, that means the white smoke is coming from fuel, not coolant... Coolant caused smoke should have the sweet coolant smell. My guess is that you've got a leaky injector somewhere causing that smoke. As for the loss of coolant, there's plenty of places other than the coolers you can lose that... Could be head gaskets (but then you'd probably have the sweet smoke). Could be a leaky hose somewhere (there's a valve on the heater line that has proven to be a PITA for lots of folks). If your EGR cooler/valve is dry, it's probably still good. But you definitely need to check the deltas (difference) between your oil and coolant temps at operating temperature. Shouldn't be over 15. If they are over 15, you need to do your oil/EGR coolers anyway... even if that's not where you're losing coolant.
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yea i have a scangauge and my deltas are always fine unless im pulling my camper of course
lately i guess my thermostat must be malfunctioning because my fwt have not been climbing over 178 to 185 or so
lately i guess my thermostat must be malfunctioning because my fwt have not been climbing over 178 to 185 or so
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how much/often are you adding coolant? I agree with David's post also, if exhaust smells like fuel an injector is suspect. A cylinder balance test could point you in to the offending cylinder. A few bucks at the dealership or a good shop would be money well spent. If you want to chase it down yourself (and don't have AE) a bubble test would be next. Just a caution also, if it is a bad injector it could be drooling after shut down and fill a cylinder with fuel. A hydrolock is hard on the bottom end of the engine.