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Old Nov 14, 2012 | 06:52 PM
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alt guage problems

My alt guage doesn't seem to be working. If I turn my lights on and off you can see the needle twitch just a hair if you watch real close but it basically just stays centered. I even tried unhooking the battery, the alternator, and even the voltage regulator but the guage never moves. What should I be checking? How do I test the guage? Any ideas?
 
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Old Nov 14, 2012 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by choptop49ford
If I turn my lights on and off you can see the needle twitch just a hair if you watch real close but it basically just stays centered.
It's "working", the needle never did move much, if at all, read below...

Ford Ammeter Gauges: Do They Work? | MILEPOSTS Garage (Tech Tips)
 
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Old Nov 14, 2012 | 07:12 PM
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Agreed, what you just described sounds like a properly-functioning ammeter. Yes, it's useless.
 
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Old Nov 14, 2012 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by montana_highboy
It's "working", the needle never did move much, if at all, read below...

Ford Ammeter Gauges: Do They Work? | MILEPOSTS Garage (Tech Tips)
I would think that unhooking the battery or disabling the charging system would make it show discharge. Good info, thanks
 
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Old Nov 14, 2012 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by choptop49ford
I would think that unhooking the battery or disabling the charging system would make it show discharge.
Depending on where you disconnected things, you won't see any needle deflection in these two cases because the current through the shunt is zero. The only reason you see a "flicker" when you turn the headlights on is because of the delay in between the time you turn on the headlights, and when the voltage regulator is able to make the alternator respond. This principle is called load regulation and it is relatively poor with externally-regulated alternators, especially if the voltage regulator is the original electromechanical type.

Never run an engine with the battery disconnected. This can make the alternator output float above 14 volts and fry any onboard electronics (including the ignition module). You are lucky that nothing happened.
 
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Old Nov 14, 2012 | 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by fmc400
Depending on where you disconnected things, you won't see any needle deflection in these two cases because the current through the shunt is zero. The only reason you see a "flicker" when you turn the headlights on is because of the delay in between the time you turn on the headlights, and when the voltage regulator is able to make the alternator respond. This principle is called load regulation and it is relatively poor with externally-regulated alternators, especially if the voltage regulator is the original electromechanical type.

Never run an engine with the battery disconnected. This can make the alternator output float above 14 volts and fry any onboard electronics (including the ignition module). You are lucky that nothing happened.
I disconnected the red wire on the back of the alt, and also unpluged the regulator. As for damage to the ignition module, I don't run one. Switched over to HEI. Thanks for the input
 
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Originally Posted by choptop49ford
As for damage to the ignition module, I don't run one. Switched over to HEI.
HEI is an ignition module.
 
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Old Nov 14, 2012 | 09:39 PM
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Here you go:

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...l#post12361782

Problem solved.
 
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Originally Posted by fmc400
HEI is an ignition module.
yes, you are correct, but I was thinking of the factory 'brain' box that frequently burns up under normal use.
 
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Originally Posted by GOVTMOD
great idea, would be nice if he printed the face to match the style. I think that would be the way to go, I bet I could transfer the guts form an old volt guage I have and print a matching face.
 
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Old Nov 15, 2012 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by choptop49ford
great idea, would be nice if he printed the face to match the style. I think that would be the way to go, I bet I could transfer the guts form an old volt guage I have and print a matching face.
The F100V uses the original face. Follow the link to his page and you can get that one or the one with the new face F100VO.
 
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Old Nov 15, 2012 | 11:23 PM
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I'm not sure why you all say an ammeter is useless? If the meter is working correctly it is very useful showing you whether the electrical system is charging or discharging by measuring the amps going through the wire. Where a volt meter is simply showing you the amount of volts in the system with no way to tell you whether your charging or discharging.
Volt = potential Amp= intensity
 
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Old Nov 16, 2012 | 01:13 AM
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I'm not sure why you all say an ammeter is useless?
I don't believe anyone is saying an ammeter is useless per se, we're just saying the factory ammeters in our trucks are useless.
 
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Old Nov 16, 2012 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by montana_highboy
I don't believe anyone is saying an ammeter is useless per se, we're just saying the factory ammeters in our trucks are useless.
Exactly. A volt meter is much more useful at least in a vehicle. If it reads:

<12v with the engine off= Batt is going bad (my case right now)
<13.5-14.5v engine running= alt is going bad.
12-12.5v engine off= batt is good
13.5-14.5v engine running = alt is good and charging

If you see the gauge go up to 14.5v then settle down to 13.5v you know the alt is good and has completed charging the batt.... and the regulator is good.

I'm not sure what the issue is with the ammeters in Fords but even if they do change readings it isn't enough to notice while you are operating a vehicle. An idiot light is better than the factory ammeter unless your battery is going bad, then both are useless. I don't know why Ford insisted on putting them in their vehicles for so long unless someone in Ford family designed the thing and the engineers and managers didn't want to say no.
 
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