Hey guys, Im new to auto painting, and was wondering what you guys like to use on your trucks.

My project at the moment needs the bed painted black from an Army green. I have an auto paint sprayer, and an air compressor.

What it seems to be is a two-part paint works best. Is that true? Thanks in advance.

 

Stick with a name brand & avoid the Duplicolor line- yes, they have there place for things but its not for what you are doing- your local auto paint supplier will be your best advocate!

 

Yes, a basecoat clear coat is better than anything you will put on as far as holdout. Single stage is great too, but a base/clear job will last longer.

Basecoat has nothing to protect it from the elements, which is where the clear comes in. Without it, the base would chaulk up and litterally break away from the surface just from being exposed to the elements. Single stage (which actually does not have base and clear mixed together as many believe), has the main basecoat and different binders in the paint and a catalyst to help retain the gloss and protect the finish from the elements. As you can guess, the single stage would break down first over a clear coat.

Im a PPG guy through and through, but every paint line has good stuff. Check with your local jobber to see whats available.

 

If this were true, every paint job applied for the past 50 years (prior to 1990) would be peeling, flaking & falling off....which is simply not the case. Single stage paint applications have every bit of UV, etc resistance as the BC/CC- the difference is the ease of repair for a DIY.....the SS is much simplier, easier to color match and address minor imperfections than BC/CC...which if by comparison you look at the projected life of a laytex BB/CC paint is 7 years (per PPG, SW, GE) as compared to as an example single stage urathane which is 10+ years.......it is all in the paint composition (additives).

 

Single stage does not have the same UV protection as a Base clear.

every paint job for the past 50 years flaking and breaking off.....yes it will. If it has been in the elements and outside, it will break down. Nothing will last forever. period. Heck, take any paintjob that has been in the elements for that long. everyone of them will have clearcoat cracking, delamination, and same with single stage stuff. Not trying to argue here, Just simply stating everything I have seen/experienced/ taught through certification programs with the big paint companies.

Who said anything about a LATEX BC/CC? Im talking urethane and waterborne here man. lol.

If I misread something, then please let me know, or if I am wrong, in all honesty, point me in the right direction. Of all the paint schools Ive been in over the past 10+years, NONE of them have agreed that single stage is better than a BC/CC. The companies Ive done classes through have been DuPont, Sherwinn Williams, and PPG.

 

ok, so you have read alot of the PR materials......now lets get professional ICAR training................

lets look at my Mustang....painted in 1986 with Murathane (single stage) as applied per mfg instructions, 1 gallon (plus reducer) was applied & wet sanded.....paint warranty per PPG...10 years unconditional against fading. The paint is now 26 years old.....not a check, peel, etc.



Lets look at my dad's 1932 3-window coupe...painted with lacquer in 1973 (10 coats wet sanded after each).......slight checking began to show in 1991 at where the oem cowl mounted running lights ere installed, my dad now a former body/painter (38 years tenure, former bodyman for George & Ron Barris) looked and said "I knew I had too much primer there!"...otherwise not a check or peel anywhere.......


my 1990 F150 (purchased new, ungaraged & parked outside near LAX- worst environmental exposure a vehicle could have)....oem paint, typicaly peeling issue on the roof....repainted by Ford...I specifically requested single stage urethane.......the truck looked amost show quality...the painter really out did themselve for a oem job! sold the truck in 2006 (10 yo paint).......for $800 over high KBB, the truck looked imaculate....not a check or peel anywhere...the only SS paint jobs or BB/CC you will ever see peel is when the surface has not been properly prepared or the prep layers have not been applied properly....ICAR certified paint.

Sorry but I couldn't find a digital pic of it......but it was bright regata blue.....

 

Like I said, Im not trying to argue or start a war here. lol. I am simply going by everything I have been taught and trained by over the past 10+years. ICAR has good stuff, Im ICAR certified as well. I would be an idiot if I was to start suggesting things that I do not personally know would/would not work. I always suggest and give advice by what I know, have been taught, and seen myself.

Im not really sure what to say other than I guess we agree to disagree No harm no foul, its not worth the argument. 90% of any paintwork as you and I know is prep. and if properly taken care of, then yes it will last for a number of years.

 

Since when? Single stage urethane has the same UV protection as urethane clearcoat. Its all urethane. If you are going metallic, paint in BC/CC. If you are going solid, then I would recommend Single Stage. Longevity will be the same as long as quality is the same.

 

Exactly!!!!! as an FYI...I painted my mustang with Ditzler Murathane (single stage) back in 1986/7.....it Ditzler guaranteed the paint against fading for 10 years- unconditional..............I still have the car and it looks just like it was painted within the last year.

 

I was speaking with D. Anderson....an industry (paint mfg) exec.....he had never heard of such a thing either....please PM me with the name of the ICAR instructor , etc who advised you of this.

 

Why stay away from the Dupil-Color line, What about the Dupli-Color Paint Shop?

 

Basically, it is not a bad quality paint, it's just not that great of what you can get for the same price at an auto paint supplier (PPG, etc).....the "regular" lines of paint are much more resistant to fade, chipping, etc when you take into consideration the primer, hardeners, etc.

 

What is they best for something that you don't have to mix, I don't really want to mix a bunch of stuff because I'm going to do my first paint job. But I'm not gunna be building a show truck, just a DD and a weekend toy.

 

No matter what paint you get, you are going to have to mix something....thinner, hardener, etc. Some auto paint suppliers will pre-mix the paint, primer, etc for you with the exception of the hardener which must be mixed immediately prior to application....the ratios are all determined by each paint mfg & type of spray gun you will be using.

 

Oh I thought with the Dulpi-Color Paint Shop you didn't have to mix anything.