I own two 1967 F250's one camper special and one standard both with a 352... yesterday a friend came over to help me install headers and noticed I did not have a balancer on the camper special. I'm not a super knowledgeable engine guy yet and had no idea what he was talking about, we checked the other truck and saw it did not have one either. Are they not there because the engine has an internal balancer or did both the trucks have them removed. Thanks in advance for your input.

 

What is your main belt pulley bolted to? Can you see timing marks?

 

Here are some pictures, thank you for your response.

 

Someone may have transplanted earlier parts onto your FE. I had something that looks like that on the front my '56 wagon 312 Y-block. You are correct; not a vibration damper.

 

its normal looks like all 352s i have seen

 

All FEs except 410 and 428 are internally balanced. Some came with dampers anyway, no need to be alarmed if the engine is running smooth.

 

You cannot compare a Y block balancer to an FE balancer (and that's EXACTLY what this is!) as they do not resemble each other. There is no way = NONE that just a pulley could be bolted to the crankshaft!
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(sigh) Your friend is unaware and so...you're now confused. All 1958/76 FE engines came with harmonic balancers. Some people are unaware, because they don't know how they're assembled.*

This is the exact same harmonic balancer that my purchased new '65 F100 352 came with: C3AZ-6312-E = 1965/67 F100/350 352 / 1963/67 Ford/Merc 352/390 Passenger Cars.

The balancer attaches to the nose of the crankshaft with (1) 355721-S .. 5/8" -18 x 1 1/2" hex head bolt.

Behind the balancer is the crankshaft spacer: B8AZ-6359-A which is retained in place on the crank by the 358963-S .. 1/4" x 3/4" keyway.

* At the factory, a rubber gasket is placed between the inner balancer and outer single sheave (groove) pulley. Then the 3 parts are pressed together forming a one piece assembly.

Ford offered one, two and three sheave accessory outer pulleys that bolted to the balancer to add P/S and/or A/C and/or dual belt alternator.

4th pic in post 3: See the 3 bolts? These attach the single sheave accessory outer pulley to the balancer. If this pulley was absent, all you would see is 3 threaded holes and the head of the bolt that retains the balancer to the crank.

1st pic in post 3 shows the timing pointer.

 

Wow NumberDummy, thank you for the detailed info and the feedback Swan79. The engine was running very strong and smooth before I decided to change the oil pan gasket... I guess my question now is should I take Swann79's advise and not worry about adding an external balancer if the engine is smooth or just add it because I'm already working on the engine?

It's so great that people are willing to provide information and opinions on this site, I've been reading many of these ever since I purchased the truck and found the information so helpful.

 

What in the heck are you talking about? Your truck already has a balancer, look at all the pics of it you posted. That's it. Some people assume it's just a pulley, but it also contains the balancer on the backside of it.

> > At the factory, a rubber gasket is placed between the inner balancer and outer single sheeve pulley, then the three parts are pressed together forming a ONE PIECE ASSEMBLY! < <

Your balancer has an accessory single sheave outer pulley bolted to it, SOP at FoMoCo when adding P/S or A/C or dual belt alternator.

 

Ooohhhh!!! I get it now...I did say I wasn't an engine guy yet in my first post Apparently I'm not very good at reading either but now I see what you were saying. Great info and thank you for your patience with my naivety. Working on this truck has been fun and challenging to say the least and having your info is truly appreciated, you rock Thank you, cheers

 

Challenging to say the least. Here's some more info you may not be aware of inre to 1967's.

1967/72's look the same, but looks can be deceiving. 1967's contain parts that are 1967 ONLY!

1967: You push the inside handles forward to lock the doors. 1968/72's have door lock *****.

1967 only: Door shells, door lock remote controls, window regulators, door latches, inside window and door handles, arm rests, vent frames and handles, link rods for the door lock cylinders.

Same 1967/72: Upper/lower hinges, weatherstrips, glass, division bars between the vent frame and door glass, outside door handles, door lock cylinders.

More 1967 only: Grilles, dash, radio, heater and ash tray, firewall, brake and clutch pedals, bracket they suspend from under the dash. Master cylinders, power brake boosters, prop valves, low brake fluid warning light switch.

1967 hood side emblems are plain, do not contain the yellow reflectors that 1968/72's do. And there's more 1967 only parts, this list is all that I can recall at the moment.

If you ever need any of these 1967 only parts, where will you find them? Ask the big dummy. Locating obsolete parts is the major thing I do here on FTE.

Where in CA do you live?

 

bill as always you are the king of numbers

 

I live in the Southbay and I did discover the amount of unique aspects after purchasing the 67 and looking for parts on LMC, JC Whitney Dennis Carpenter, although I didn't realize some of the ones you listed. I definitely appreciate your offer to locate the random obsolete parts.

The truck was in pretty good shape when I purchased it minus the fact the the shifter had been ripped out of the column at some point. The guy before me actually stubbed a rod through the floor for the shifter... good stuff. At some point I want to correct this by either converting to a floor shifter or repairing the column. The good news is the mickey mouse fix works and I haven't had any issues...knock on wood. I had a mechanic who owns a 69 Camper explain to me that I have a Cruise o matic tranny and that the basic floor shifter kits wouldn't work. I figure when the tranny needs work I'll deal with the shifter.

 

i built my own shifter doesn't look to bad looks like a have a manual shifter but its a little off to the left it works good for me how i drive her but the shift patterns kinda backwards park is by the seat and 1st is towards dash i like it better than my column shifters but i'm a redneck so form kinda follows function lol

 

The pot metal A/T shift collar contains a thin bridge that connects it to the shift tube. You cannot see it because it's inside the column. The bridge begins to crack, eventually snaps off.

Now the shift lever flops around because the collar is no longer connected to the shift tube.

The good news is, the shift collar is available from Ford.

It's feeding time here in Hacienda Heights for our 5 Basset Hounds, will be back later with the shift collar info.

btw: Have you visited the newest attraction in the South Bay yet? Battleship USS Iowa (BB-61) located at berth 87 next to the cruise ship terminal in San Pedro.

When I'm not here on FTE, I'm there, docent tour guide.