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I personally like OAI both professionally and personally.
CAT is likely the most accessible, but Deere is just as good.
NAPA used to do an oil service, don't remember thru who though.
I wouldnt trust Blackstone to test a bottle of sunflower oil.
Josh
CAT is likely the most accessible, but Deere is just as good.
NAPA used to do an oil service, don't remember thru who though.
I wouldnt trust Blackstone to test a bottle of sunflower oil.
Josh
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Jeez, Josh, what'd we do to you? Do you seriously think we make up oil reports and hand them out randomly? We are always happy to retest numbers that anyone thinks might be erroneous. Just let us know. As for the idea that we would just hand out random UOAs...I can't even think of a civil reply to that.
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I know there are people on this forum from all over the place, but if you are ever around or near Fort Wayne, Indiana, we'd be happy to give you a personal tour! Feel free to stop by any time.
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I've never had any reason to doubt Blackstone results, and I've got a good number of reports.
That report is right in line with my own results for Rotella T-6. Right down the line. Which if anything makes me doubt the contents of the AR9300. I would have expected something to be significantly higher than stock T-6. Well, the Silicon is about 3 times higher than my average, so maybe that's it.
That report is right in line with my own results for Rotella T-6. Right down the line. Which if anything makes me doubt the contents of the AR9300. I would have expected something to be significantly higher than stock T-6. Well, the Silicon is about 3 times higher than my average, so maybe that's it.
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Brad Penn Oil doesn't...
Penn Grade 1 High Performance Oil
Valvoline doesn't... email response
" We would urge you to also take samples of the products and send to other laboratories for testing as well, as we can 100% GUARANTEE that our NSL and VR1 products contain more than the listed ZDDP additives that is listed by the Blackstone Labs testing. We would also urge you to do some research about the laboratories around the nation to get the best results. Valvoline does not put out false information, as we would have clearly been called out by several licensing organizations such as API, ILSAC and even legal entities for false information. We 100% Guarantee our Valvoline VR1 Racing and NOT STREET LEGAL Racing Oil products to contain more than 1200ppm of Zinc and more than 1200ppm of Phosphorus, which is plenty of protection for any stock flat tappet cam application, which only requires approximately 800-1000ppm of either additive for proper protection. High duration and oversize high performance cam applications will require the higher 1100 - 1300ppm levels for protection.
If you would like, we would like to suggest one of the top oil sampling companies in the United States known as Polaris Laboratories. Polaris is an independent company that provides oil sampling analysis for various products and have the reputation as a very high quality, top rated company for oil testing.
As for the ZDDP issue with your flat tappet applications, we have attached an OFFICIAL Technical Service Bulletin that has been approved through all legal avenues of the lubricant business, that helps describe the ZDDP issue.
Thank you for your concern and Valvoline will gladly stand behind any information that is given out by our company, especially information that is OFFICIALLY documented."
As for BITOG you have to look at the forum members and their experience:
https://www.google.com/search?source...w=1424&bih=702
Josh
Penn Grade 1 High Performance Oil
Valvoline doesn't... email response
" We would urge you to also take samples of the products and send to other laboratories for testing as well, as we can 100% GUARANTEE that our NSL and VR1 products contain more than the listed ZDDP additives that is listed by the Blackstone Labs testing. We would also urge you to do some research about the laboratories around the nation to get the best results. Valvoline does not put out false information, as we would have clearly been called out by several licensing organizations such as API, ILSAC and even legal entities for false information. We 100% Guarantee our Valvoline VR1 Racing and NOT STREET LEGAL Racing Oil products to contain more than 1200ppm of Zinc and more than 1200ppm of Phosphorus, which is plenty of protection for any stock flat tappet cam application, which only requires approximately 800-1000ppm of either additive for proper protection. High duration and oversize high performance cam applications will require the higher 1100 - 1300ppm levels for protection.
If you would like, we would like to suggest one of the top oil sampling companies in the United States known as Polaris Laboratories. Polaris is an independent company that provides oil sampling analysis for various products and have the reputation as a very high quality, top rated company for oil testing.
As for the ZDDP issue with your flat tappet applications, we have attached an OFFICIAL Technical Service Bulletin that has been approved through all legal avenues of the lubricant business, that helps describe the ZDDP issue.
Thank you for your concern and Valvoline will gladly stand behind any information that is given out by our company, especially information that is OFFICIALLY documented."
As for BITOG you have to look at the forum members and their experience:
https://www.google.com/search?source...w=1424&bih=702
Josh
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I've never had any reason to doubt Blackstone results, and I've got a good number of reports.
That report is right in line with my own results for Rotella T-6. Right down the line. Which if anything makes me doubt the contents of the AR9300. I would have expected something to be significantly higher than stock T-6. Well, the Silicon is about 3 times higher than my average, so maybe that's it.
That report is right in line with my own results for Rotella T-6. Right down the line. Which if anything makes me doubt the contents of the AR9300. I would have expected something to be significantly higher than stock T-6. Well, the Silicon is about 3 times higher than my average, so maybe that's it.
Josh
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One thing to keep in mind, especially for those that may only send 1 or 2 samples a year:
Deere, CAT and Mack do not accept reports from Blackstone labs when invesigating warranty claims. Yet, they accept many others. Things that make ya go "Hmmmm"
QUESTION: If Blackstone is under reporting zinc and phosphorous what else is skewed in their test equipment?
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Deere, CAT and Mack do not accept reports from Blackstone labs when invesigating warranty claims. Yet, they accept many others. Things that make ya go "Hmmmm"
QUESTION: If Blackstone is under reporting zinc and phosphorous what else is skewed in their test equipment?
Josh
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According to Penn, Blackstone lowballed two additives in a VOA because of the process they use, not exactly a scathing refutation of their overall quality. I still haven't seen any support for your claim that they send out reports from other peoples' samples, or just make up results from a stock report.
But whatever, no one is holding a gun to your head to use them.
But whatever, no one is holding a gun to your head to use them.
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According to Penn, Blackstone lowballed two additives in a VOA because of the process they use, not exactly a scathing refutation of their overall quality. I still haven't seen any support for your claim that they send out reports from other peoples' samples, or just make up results from a stock report.
But whatever, no one is holding a gun to your head to use them.
But whatever, no one is holding a gun to your head to use them.
As for the BOLD highlighted section there are numerous "questionable" reports with that very nature on BITOG and FordFE.Com
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