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Old Aug 6, 2012 | 10:46 AM
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So I've been searching through all of the threads about the difference in the 1000 vs 1250 lb hitch. I guess everyone has pretty much agreed the difference is the bolts that bolt the receiver on. Here's my dumb question. Is it worth just welding the thing on? I cant see bigger bolts being better than welding it on. Are there any downsides to it? Do you think it would strain the frame with the weight of the big trailer i'm about to put on it? Just a thought. I figure it would probably be just as cheap and easy to get a local guy weld it. Thanks
 
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Old Aug 6, 2012 | 12:06 PM
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Might harm the heat treating on the frame? Just a guess, might not be an issue.

Would make it a lot harder to remove if you ever needed to remove it. (why would you need to remove it? beats me.)
 
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Old Aug 6, 2012 | 12:07 PM
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Welding to the frame is usually not recommended. Removes the effects of heat treatment.
 
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Old Aug 6, 2012 | 12:09 PM
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Gotcha, it was just a thought. I guess im just going to have to go through getting the new bolts and boring out the old holes a little more. No big deal, just figured the welds would be a hell of a lot stronger.
 
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Old Aug 6, 2012 | 02:34 PM
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I'm currently looking into this as well. I just purchased a trailer with a tongue weight of 1,110 to 1,200 lbs. I know I probably should not have done it but I just got back from a 200 mile trip using my stock hitch which is rated for only 1,000 lbs. I called a local shop and was quoted $320.00 to install a new drawtite hitch with a 1,200 lbs tongue rating but would rather do the bolt swap thing if it truly increase the weight carrying capacity.

My question is to anyone who has swapped the bolts, how hard is it to do?
 
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Old Aug 6, 2012 | 03:58 PM
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For the frame portion consider renting a magnetic drill press. If it will fit in the area it will make the job fairly easy. Be sure and use drilling oil whichever drill motor you use.
 
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Old Aug 6, 2012 | 08:04 PM
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Hand drill should have the holes drilled in a few minutes. Don't weld it.
 
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Old Aug 7, 2012 | 07:26 AM
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Does anyone know the part numbers off hand for the larger bolts? Should I get them directly from Ford or is there a better/cheaper option?
 
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Old Aug 7, 2012 | 11:07 AM
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Does anyone know the part numbers off hand for the larger bolts? Should I get them directly from Ford or is there a better/cheaper option?
Yes, in fact, I just ordered a set myself from Tousley Ford. There are supposed to be 6 regular bolts, 2 shear-head bolts, and 4 nut/retainers. I ordered 8 regular bolts instead. The shear-head bolts are much more expensive, and I would rather have the regular ones anyway.

W708772S439 - M18 bolts
W709318S441 - NUT&RET M18X65
 
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Old Aug 7, 2012 | 12:44 PM
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If you don't mind me asking, how much were those parts? Also, I agree with using regular bolts instead of the shear head bolts so that is probably the way I will go. You said you ordered 4 nut/retainers. Does that mean you ordered 4 of part number W709318S441 - NUT&RET M18X65? I want to make sure I don't end up with 4 nuts when I need 8.

I appreciate your help with this. I've read so much about this upgrade but I've not seen a post which laid out exactly what I need. I probably haven't searched hard enough.
 
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Old Aug 7, 2012 | 03:00 PM
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If you don't mind me asking, how much were those parts?
The total was about $80 plus shipping.


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Also, I agree with using regular bolts instead of the shear head bolts so that is probably the way I will go. You said you ordered 4 nut/retainers. Does that mean you ordered 4 of part number W709318S441 - NUT&RET M18X65? I want to make sure I don't end up with 4 nuts when I need 8.
The nut/retainer is a flat piece of metal that spans two holes on the frame and has a nut on each end. I'm guessing this is at least in part to make it easier to turn the bolts since you can't really reach the nuts very well. As I understand, you have to drop the fuel tank a few inches to reach them at all. (I haven't done mine yet. The holes on the hitch I picked up are for the M14 bolts and need to be enlarged. There is a metal fab place in town that said they'd do that for about $70. The holes in the frame are already big enough.)

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I appreciate your help with this. I've read so much about this upgrade but I've not seen a post which laid out exactly what I need. I probably haven't searched hard enough.
There is a long running thread on this (I think it was started by Joe aka X_Hemi_Guy) that has a lot of useful information and some photos of the new vs. old bolts, etc.
 
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Old Sep 19, 2012 | 12:44 PM
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Might harm the heat treating on the frame? Just a guess, might not be an issue.

Would make it a lot harder to remove if you ever needed to remove it. (why would you need to remove it? beats me.)
I would like to remove mine, and get it painted or power coated. Still working on the shear bolts, drilled out with half inch bit, but stuck there!
 
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Old Sep 19, 2012 | 01:18 PM
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Welding the hitch on would be bad.

If you ever need to drop the gas tank to say, replace a fuel pump, you would be out of luck.
 
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Old Sep 19, 2012 | 04:33 PM
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I have dropped the fuel tank twice without ever removing the hitch. Piece of cake, just make sure there's no fule in it.

can anyone confirm with authority that the frame is heat treated. Just curious.
 
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Old Sep 19, 2012 | 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ExxWhy
Might harm the heat treating on the frame? Just a guess, might not be an issue.

Would make it a lot harder to remove if you ever needed to remove it. (why would you need to remove it? beats me.)
Originally Posted by housedad
Welding the hitch on would be bad.

If you ever need to drop the gas tank to say, replace a fuel pump, you would be out of luck.
There are four bolts that hold the skid plate / gas tank in position. There are eight bolts in the frame rail, that the hitch are mounted to. I do not think that welding the hitch would be the proper way to secure it to the vehicle!
 
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