Was wondering how much cranking it takes before you get fuel to the injectors. I just changed all injectors, glow plugs and return lines along with IP. I also know the filter was almost empty. I cranked and cranked, am charging the batteries now. Also can somebody post up where to get an electric fuel pump for my 86 Van 6.9 . I would like to go this route to save on cranking in the future. Thanks ahead of time for your help.

Chet

 

before i got the electric pump on my 87, normal air intrusion would cause me to run my batteries to almost empty before she would fire up. that usually took 2, 30 second blocks of cranking on it, with about a 5 minute cool-down between them.
speaking of which, the starter should be used as i did - no more than 30 seconds on with a full 5-minute cool-down period.
i suspect that once you get your batteries full and do it all again, you'll likely get there.

for an electric pump, most guys around here advise the Facet Duralift pump. it can be a little hard to find, but one of our members around here sells them, i think its typefour - send him a PM.
if you haven't already done your reading, most people set up their electric pump as a total replacement for the mechanical pump, either removing or bypassing the mechanical. this is good, as an electric before the mechanical is just waiting for the mechanical to fail and will then pump your crankcase full of fuel and destroy your engine.
when i set up my e-pump, i had a different idea. the website for the duralift pump said my local small-name parts store sells them, but they don't. so i asked for a pump designed for diesel thats good - not the mr gasket one. i got an airtex, which is a well known brand, of which i've installed many on various gas rigs. then, because my lift pump was only a few months old and i didn't want to throw it away, i decided to set mine up differently. i have it plumbed inline with the mechanical pump, and wired so it only runs when the glow plugs are on (soon to also have a push-button). this primes the system to purge any air that may have intruded while the truck sat overnight, and it does it automatically, but at this rate even a cheap pump should last at least 10 years.
many people here found my setup to be stupid/pointless, favoring a strictly electric setup, but to each his own, i'm quite happy with what i built

 

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Guys your input is excellent. Thanks again. I did find some information last night. I was up till 11:30PM reading. I'm going to try again later. I will be ordering a electric pump. Now do I have to put on a regulator or are the dura lift and airtex okay with out it. I also found some use the Delphi. Your help is always appreciated. Now to find someone that can time this here in the inland empire. Mine IP was lined up, marks, from the factory.

Chet

 

the pumps we run put out a low enough pressure (usually 7-12 PSI give or take a little) that they don't need any regulator, the pump is all you need.

 

Well got fuel to the IP and injectors so I hooked up the glow plugs. It started up. I'm still going to get electric fuel pump, but the truck smokes real bad. Is this normal. It didn't smoke before if I pluged it in. An once warmed up it still smokes. It idles okay when warm but haven't driven it yet. Any thoughts? Is this a bad pump, I hope not.

Chet

 

from what i've read, incorrect timing can cause excessive smoke like that. play with it a little and see if it smokes less at a certain setting.

 

Just talked to a good friend that works at ford, he is the diesel guy but dosen't know the IDI i guess, so here goes, would this thing run with the IP off by one tooth. I ask because I removed the hole cover. I did line it back up with the marks I made. I just started it tonight after not starting it since sunday. It started right up, one cycle of glow plugs, and idles after reving a few, just smokes like a fiend. He going to ask another guy at the job to see if they can check the timing. Whats you opinions. Thanks
and God Bless for your help. It wasn't easy for me to do, I hate the thought of removing everything to check the Y's .

Chet

 

It will smoke even if not off one tooth. You can have timing off enough at correct gear timing. I think you are probably retarded timing, is it grey smoke? A proper set IDI will knock pretty loud at idle and will get smoother and quieter at higher speed. It will always knock with the cold advance on, timing has to be done at normal operating temp.

Timing is not hard, but you need the right tools. By ear is very hard to have it right on the money. You could try advancing yours some to see if the smoke clears up. Have to turn off the engine to rotate the IP. Rotate top of IP towards passenger side to advance it.

 

Thanks for responding. No I haven't move the pump yet. The old pump was line up on the marks. I advanced it 1/16 inch, about, tord the passenger seat just because. I don't have any exsperience with these motors so I hope its not off a tooth. Once started and rev for a minute it idles but had to turn the screw up a little. I noticed to if I take the oil filler cap off it smokes out of there to. I don't believe it ever did that either.

Chet

 

what color is the smoke?
the idle screw is the only only one your turned up?
what is the condition of the replacement injectors and ip? new,reman,or used?
you should follow this,so your not guessing for starters:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...pump-gear.html
&
http://www.members.shaw.ca/k2pilot/Timing%20article.htm

you have no way of knowing for sure otherwise,and besides,the person(s) before you could have made the mistake you did as well.
it's always best to start eliminating the unknowns if you want a properly tuned idi in the end.

some more here with fuel and timing related links to help you dial her all in:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...ning-info.html

try hard not to fall victim to the over fueled and over advanced tuning mistake many make.it's just a result of higher EGT's,loss of economy,poorer emissions (if you care),and increased stress on the internals.
try as you may,it's highly unlikely you'll find an honest 5hp by letting her roll coal,and rattle like a PSD when warm anyway.

 

Diesel Junkie, thanks for posting. I've read all those over time before I did this. I foregot about the clay trick. The smoke is gray blue I believe. Injectors, glow plugs, return lines are all new. IP is a rebuilt. I got it at pesicola before I read all this. I haven't tryed to drive it, and probably won't. I'm beting its a tooth off or so. I did mark the gears but thought it was off when first installed and moved it a tooth. It starts, and even idles when slightly warmed up, but smokes bad, even out the oil fill tube. I only took the cover off to make it easier on the van. Didn't have the right wrench, and don't think it would of gone in there without more disassembly. Big mistake. I got injectors and return lines from typefour, so I know they are alright. Glow plugs are good. Pump, I hope so after having to do this again. I know the pin has to be a 4 o'clock also. I'll check that at TDC first.

Chet