Where you getting v7? I only find Diesel supp v3 printing via the Ford owner site.

 

unless you are a paying supporter (see 'Go Premium' on the blue line at the top of the screen) you cannot directly post anything. You have to upload to somewhere else (photobucket.com, ...) then link to the file from there..

FTE makes it hard..but this keeps their disk space usage costs down.

Sam

 

That's too bad, I don't have photo bucket and don't really want to open an acct just for this. I'm sitting here looking at it the document. Its absolutely v7. I asked my salesman specifically about it because of all the concerns I have had with regard to what I have read here about fuel/water/hpfp's etc.

I absolutely needed a truck this month... was strongly considering the Dodge Ram, but really wanted to go with a unit with DEF and a fantastic fit and finish. The Ram's fit and finish is there now, but they aren't getting DEF until the fall on their 2013 models. So I broke down and went with the F350.

So far loving it. Had a DEF fault on my second day driving it. Took it in and had 1 gal of DEF added and that was all it took. Have put another 600 miles on it since then without any further problems. Its an awesome truck. I am thrilled with it and am already enjoying adding things to it.

Got a good price and plan to keep this thing for a long long time so I bought the Ford warranty and service plan. Peace of mind there.

If my HPFP goes, so be it. There just isn't a better truck on the market right now.

If any of the mods have an acct I can upload my pdf of v7 of the Ford 6.7L Power Stroke® Diesel Operating, Maintenance & Care Tips I would be happy to provide it. Its what I had to sign before I drove off the lot and they clearly are not recommending additives any longer.

 

If this is the pdf I have in mind then it's just a 1-2 pages. I have ver5 which states regarding additives:
Take Care of your Fuel Injection System

• Diesel fuel quality is critical for reliable engine operation. Motorcraft® Cetane Booster & Performance Improver, PM-22-A (U.S.) / PM-22-B (Canada) can be added to improve fuel economy, starting ability, and reduce engine wear.
• The water separator should be drained monthly or when the "Water in Fuel Lamp" illuminates.
• Biodiesel fuel must not exceed 20% (B20). To avoid cold weather fuel gelling, add 6 oz. of Motorcraft® Anti-Gel & Performance Improver PM-23-A (U.S.) / PM-23-B (Canada) to every new tank of fuel.

Are you saying ver7 has all this omitted or states do not use additives?

 

So Ford told you NOT to you a product made for and sold by FORD for their diesel engines?? This would be the first I've heard of anything of the sort and I would say it's BS.

The lubricity of the USLD is America is horrible today. The HPFP on these engines has such tight tolerances and needs lubrication to last long term. It sucks to have to spend money on additives, but no way would I not use it. Period. It's much cheaper than the alternative, plus I don't want the down-time for repairs.

Just my .02

 

My salesman and our most experienced diesel service tech both told me NOT to sue any additives. They said it wasn't necessary.

This is a copy and pass from the pdf I can't upload from v7 of the Ford recommendations...
"
Use the Right Diesel Fuel & Take Care of Your Fuel Injection System

- Diesel fuel quality is critical for reliable engine operation. Your 6.7L diesel engine requires Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel (ULSD) fuel. It should not be necessary to add any aftermarket additives to your fuel tank if you use a properly formulated diesel fuel that meets either ASTM D975 diesel or biodiesel that meets ASTM D7467 B6-B20. Biodiesel fuel must not exceed 20% (B20). Do not store biodiesel in the fuel tank for more than 1 month. Consider changing brands or reducing biodiesel content if you have cold temperature fuel gelling issues or a frequent Low Fuel Pressure message appearing.

-If the Low Fuel Pressure Alert is active, refer to the Power Stroke® Diesel Supplement for instructions. If the vehicle is driven with the Low Fuel Pressure alert active for an extended time, the vehicle will automatically reduce performance or de-rate the engine until the Low Fuel Pressure condition is addressed.

-The water separator should be drained monthly or when the "Water in Fuel Lamp" illuminates and/or the Message Center in the Instrument Panel instructs the operator to do so, whichever comes first. If the vehicle is driven with the WIF alert active for an extended time, the vehicle will automatically reduce performance or de-rate the engine until the water separator is drained.

-Aftermarket fuel additives can damage the high pressure fuel system. Do not use fuel additives that emulsify water into the fuel. Do not use fuel additives that clean the fuel system or engine

"

Call it BS if you like. It is what it is. I trust our local diesel tech, he's highly recommended throughout the region and has been here for over 20 yrs. He's the one that eased my concerns about the reliability of the new 6.7. I had a long talk with him about the HPFP stuff and he said the 6.7L was the most reliable engine he's ever worked on so far and trust me, he didn't hold back on his opinions of it or all the other diesels he has become familiar with. He insisted the additives weren't necessary, he did however tell me who to fuel up with locally and who not to. He was able to spout off all of the local station filtration standards, frequency of pump fuel filter changes and servicing, etc. Of course its a pretty small community up here.

Anyway, I'm not here to debate and will not debate. I don't care what you do. I am simply passing on that Ford is backing away from the additive thing with their latest 6.7 service recommendations.

 

"It should not be necessary to add any aftermarket additives to your fuel tank if you use a properly formulated diesel fuel that meets either ASTM D975 diesel or biodiesel that meets ASTM D7467 B6-B20."

The same question thats been asked 10,000 times; how do we know the fuel we're pumping meets or exceeds the spec? On my previous 6.0L I used to monitor the local stations for the cheapest prices to go fill-up. I was usually hitting Fred Meyer or 76. Shortly thereafter my fuel level sensor started going crazy. I was not using any additive at first. Then I started adding diesel kleen and the fuel gauge would still go crazy. Out of curiosity on next fill-up I went to a different brand (I think Shell or Chevron) and after burning one tank my fuel gauge returned to normal; no additive used. Coincidence?

The epic saga on additives I don't think will ever be put to rest. It would certainly help if dealerships would get educated and in turn educate customers on the importance of diesel quality and draining the water separator. If the 6.7L is even more sensitive on fuel quality (which according to many it is) then I'm not going to sweat paying 10-20 cents more if it will/may save me from $10K in repairs and/or stranded on the highway.

The phrase I hear alot, "use the busiest diesel station to fill-up" is/may not always be the best option. YMMV!

Thanks for sharing the info!

 

I was told by my servicing dealer here in Canada, fall 2010, that an additive wasn't necessary because this is a common rail fuel system. (Not sure why this would make any difference.) This came from the head diesel tech at the delaership. I didn't listen to him and got a few more opinions opinion from other dealership with more diesel experience. After consulting with a few different dealers and master diesel techs I am confident in my decision to continue with the PM22 additive. Who knows, maybe I am being sold some magic beans by Ford but I just think an additive is the way to go with this engine. At least with my 2011MY the manual says use PM22. In winter I use the PM22 and the Antigel. That is what I was recommended by the biggest diesel dealership in my area. Magic Beans???

I too have used a high volume cheaper fuel supplier. I noticed that even with the PM22 the frequency of my regens seemed to double. I was regenning about every 100 miles so I quickly switched back to my regular supplier, and it took about 3 tanks and multiple regens before my regen cycle went back to it's normal 400-600kms or 250-350 miles

 

Honestly, if you have a fuel system failure and you're not using an additive, you don't have a leg to stand on. It says "Should not be necessary." If Ford does a fuel analysis and the diesel you're using doesn't meet standards and no fuel additive is present, you're screwed. They already make warranty claims hard enough.

They way I see it, it's not worth risking and Ford doesn't recommend against it.

 

I just ordered opti-lube XPD since i ran out of Power Service
will I notice any difference?

 

I did not notice any difference switching from Stanadyne performance formula to XPD (other than the XPD smells TERRIBLE). The guy at Fleet Break told me I should go out and put the XPD in my tank right now and within a few blocks I would notice a performace gain........NOT!

If you do, let us know!

Thanks

 

No discussion o additives would be complete without revisiting this one Sorry in advance. https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...s-to-hpfp.html

I have looked long and hard and cant find a single piece of fact that even remotely suggests the DLC coating is hurt by a additive now or previously recommended by Ford or Bosch. Post up the dead horse gif

 

I'd love to know what the difference is between PM22A for the US, and PM22B for Canada...

 

Pm 22b is for the fuel not to gel in winter

 

When I was at the parts desk, there were bottles of PM23B for winter...