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Old Jun 18, 2012 | 09:35 AM
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After trying to start it, are the spark plugs wet with fuel at all?
 
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Old Jun 18, 2012 | 09:39 AM
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I'm guessing not, as sone as I shot brake clean in it started right up

I do have injected pulse
I'm guessing the injectors are not opening
 
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Old Jun 18, 2012 | 10:38 AM
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Looking at the plugs directly after trying to start it will tell you for certain if fuel is making its way to the cylinders, no need to guess.

Looking at a blinking light would imply the injectors are injecting, but...

at the right times? The chances of all 8 injectors not working together at the same time are astronomically low, something else is wrong. You need air, fuel and heat (compression) all in the correct proportions at the right times.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2012 | 11:36 AM
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How does the injectors fire is there a fireing order?
jugeing by the wires looks like half and half fire... but i don't know my first efi set up. that im messing with
 
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Old Jun 18, 2012 | 11:40 AM
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I'll ask this with the risk of offending you, as you sound more than competent as a wrencher, but have you visually confirmed that the dist rotor is pointing at the #1 cap post when at #1 TDC on it's compression stroke?

If I don't ask, we won't know, right?
 
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Old Jun 18, 2012 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Mythsearcher
How does the injectors fire is there a fireing order?
jugeing by the wires looks like half and half fire... but i don't know my first efi set up. that im messing with
I believe the trucks are batch fire, meaning they all fire all the time, but only half the fuel needed. The first half lays in behind the closed intake valve, and then when it fires the other half of the fuel required, the intake valve opens and lets it all into the cylinder. I am pretty sure the mustangs are sequential injection, it fires each injector just at the right time, unlike the trucks.

Don't let anyone get you off track, you know it's fuel because it will try to run with the spray in the intake. Just make sure the injectors are firing, and you have fuel pressure on the fuel rail. Just so you know, the injectors are fed 12v on one side all the time(the common colored wire to all of them) and the negative of the injector goes to the computer. The computer grounds the negative of the injector to make it fire.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2012 | 12:17 PM
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I believe the trucks are batch fire, meaning they all fire all the time, but only half the fuel needed. The first half lays in behind the closed intake valve, and then when it fires the other half of the fuel required, the intake valve opens and lets it all into the cylinder. I am pretty sure the mustangs are sequential injection, it fires each injector just at the right time, unlike the trucks.

Don't let anyone get you off track, you know it's fuel because it will try to run with the spray in the intake. Just make sure the injectors are firing, and you have fuel pressure on the fuel rail. Just so you know, the injectors are fed 12v on one side all the time(the common colored wire to all of them) and the negative of the injector goes to the computer. The computer grounds the negative of the injector to make it fire.

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Old Jun 18, 2012 | 12:22 PM
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After trying to start it, are the spark plugs wet with fuel at all?
No its not getting any fuel at all but it is pulsing.

Now even if its not shooting fuel at the right time wouldn't it still be in there when the spark plug fires at the right time?
 
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Old Jun 18, 2012 | 12:53 PM
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Don't let anyone get you off track, you know it's fuel because it will try to run with the spray in the intake. Just make sure the injectors are firing, and you have fuel pressure on the fuel rail.

Yea, well, then there's that.

Forget about my question a few posts above...
 
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Old Jun 18, 2012 | 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Anafiel
Yea, well, then there's that.

Forget about my question a few posts above...
I should not have said "we know it's a fuel problem" because there are lots of problems that can cause the injectors not to fire. The end result is no fuel, but the cause can be something else.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2012 | 03:54 PM
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I should not have said "we know it's a fuel problem" because there are lots of problems that can cause the injectors not to fire. The end result is no fuel, but the cause can be something else.
You know .... your right there...

I think im going to check out the distributor problems,
then im going to pull the 4 injectors i can get to, I am going to cycle the key while there out. see what happons...
 
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Old Jun 18, 2012 | 04:50 PM
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Also make sure the throttle position sensor and the throttle are ok. I just remembered if the rpm is low, and the throttle is wide open, the computer goes into a "clear flooded engine" mode, and turns the injectors off. I sort of doubt this is the problem, but it's another scenario that could happen if there was something wrong with the throttle position sensor or it's wiring, and the computer thought the throttle was wide open.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2012 | 07:29 PM
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Ok I'm at work the truck is here
I'm scopeing out my two distributors, they apeir to be identical , but the holifax switch is black on one and blue on the other( the truck one)
Do you think it's color coded?
I'll check with the parts store see if the both use the same dist. Tomorrow
I really need to get that back together before moving on
Thanks i'll keep you guys up to date.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2012 | 07:34 PM
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I've never working on one of the EFI truck engines...but is it possible to remove one of the injectors and see if will fire (pulse) quickly?
 
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Old Jun 18, 2012 | 07:40 PM
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What is a holifax switch? The PIP sensor? If they're Ford devices, they'll have Engineering ID numbers on them that can be compared.
 
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