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Old Jun 13, 2012 | 09:44 PM
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You can always move the registry files to the new registry.

And most programs will write new registry entries when they are missing.
Unless it has to do with locking the program to the computer.
Use caution with the registry, you export and import the entries and as I said, this can be messy! Copying entire hives over is not good either.

I have a hard time recalling a program that will write new registry entries in a case like this. That's a new one for me, they just give errors (or nothing) in my experience.
 
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Old Jun 15, 2012 | 05:43 AM
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I know its a few days old (new job is keeping me off the interwebs), but...

I was just trying to give a few suggestions that would only take a few minutes. I've had bad miscellaneous hardware (usually memory) fail in bizarre ways that actually manifested as motherboard failures.

Any word yet Jim?

Also, I had no idea so many techies drove diesel trucks. LOL
 
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Old Jun 15, 2012 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by deadsenator
Some great stuff there Nick and I agree with nearly all of it. A point I'd make is that for laptops, it's almost always the mainboard. Otherwise it's the videocard. The reason is that they are usually cooked by heat. First of all, they use terrible thermal paste (or heat-tape - ug) and most laptops use a common heatsink for both the CPU and video chips. This leads to a warmer environment in the first place and people rarely ever clean the fan or heatsink assemblies. I've found full cats inside of laptops.

I also appreciate your troubleshooting steps. Good stuff to try, but my money is still on the board. It's just too common.

The other random point I would make is that consumer level HP products are pretty crappy. The enterprise level stuff is great, but they don't know how to build solid consumer level systems.

Still a techie and always a techie here!
I hate HP's low end stuff, but I've got 3 HP laptops and they are all good.
 
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Old Jun 15, 2012 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by deadsenator
Use caution with the registry, you export and import the entries and as I said, this can be messy! Copying entire hives over is not good either.

I have a hard time recalling a program that will write new registry entries in a case like this. That's a new one for me, they just give errors (or nothing) in my experience.
Registry stuff is easy if you know what your doing.

I was stating it was an option.
 
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Old Jun 15, 2012 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by dizzyfingers03


[*]Remove the memory one stick a time, it may make a difference. If the computer boots, you're holding the problem.
This is a good idea to try, but computers will generally post with bad ram. Not always, just generally.

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[*]Remove all hardward you can (CD drives, sound cards, hard drives, everything) and attempt to boot. If successful, replace one at a time until boot failure occurs. You've found the problem. Despite what the tech told you, most laptop components are NOT integrated into the motherboard. Usually just video, sometimes sound, and network card. Only video will cause boot failure. Memory, drives, CPU, and wireless network are usually installed separately.
Wireless cards are rarely integrated anymore, Video is the only one you cannot really be sure of anymore.

I'd try this as well though, Especially removing the hard drive.
I've seen bad hard drives stop post.


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[*]I also would suggest checking the power output of the AC/DC convertor. If that is running low DC voltage, the CPU/memory will not function correctly and throw a beep code.
Destroys your battery!!!

Originally Posted by dizzyfingers03

What I suggest is simply getting a new computer. Getting used components may or may not solve the problem. Sometimes it creates even more. The software you own the license to. It doesn't matter what computer it happens to be installed on. I always recommend that people simply contact the vendors of the software they are worried about and explain the situation. Provided the companies are still in business, the licenses can almost always be recovered. Computers crash and companies are used to dealing with it.
I suggested this to him due to computers being so cheap now.
He can buy almost the exact same computer new for the same price it would cost to fix it.
for 400-500 dollars you can get an i3-i5 and 4 gigs of ram.

I thought this was his bench laptop, that one needs a serial port.
Guess its a good thing its not. I'd be sending him my old 95 machine. I like that computer.
 
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Old Jun 15, 2012 | 09:44 AM
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We sold quite a few USB to serial adapters as there are lot of plants use old protocols around here. It is amazing how much hardware just will not interface with those adapters. We actually started stocking a serial card.
 
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Old Jun 15, 2012 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by dizzyfingers03
What I suggest is simply getting a new computer. Getting used components may or may not solve the problem. Sometimes it creates even more. The software you own the license to. It doesn't matter what computer it happens to be installed on. I always recommend that people simply contact the vendors of the software they are worried about and explain the situation. Provided the companies are still in business, the licenses can almost always be recovered. Computers crash and companies are used to dealing with it.
I know you've received a lot of input on this, but I will say X2 on the statement above. With the way technology is moving, you can get a much faster/more powerful computer for less money these days. Trying to fix an older computer is likely to cost you as much money as a new one would cost(or at least a big chunk of a new computer). I have worked with various software licenses (including some complex licensing in GIS software) in my job for the last 6 years, and all that I have worked with are super easy to install on a new system with the same license. You'd just need to check on these things:
1) Do you still have the installation software (Cd's or files), or can you get them from the company, for the version of the software you have (most software companies upgrade their software and no longer provide the older versions - you'd have to check into this)
2) Will the version of software that you have run on the new operating systems (most likely Windows 7)

Then it is a simple matter of reinstalling the software on the new machine with your existing licenses and you're back up and running.

If you have files or documents stored in the old computer (not software related files - but Word documents, pictures, contact lists, etc. Your software related files will be installed when you reinstall the software.), you can usually take your old computer to an IT/computer store that does file recovery and have them connect to your old computer and copy the files onto either 1)your new computer, or 2) an external hard drive, which you can then plug into you new computer and copy over.

We do this all the time when we upgrade our computer systems. New computer, same software and licenses. Reinstall the software using the same license keys, then copy the hard drive contents over and you're good to go. Sometimes it becomes complicated if the software will not run on the new OS's, but most of the time we don't have that problem. But we pay yearly maintenance on our software and receive the software upgrades as they come out with them, so we are always up-to-date with the latest and greatest. Your situation may not be the case.

Just my 2 cents. Good luck.
 
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Old Jun 15, 2012 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by DZL JIM
I asked about just getting another computer, and the Guy at the computer repair place said that the new comp must have all the exact same chips etc or the drive swap would not work. He said the chances of getting a computer with the exact same motherboard is slim to none.
It's not so much the files on the drive, it's the programs and he said the exact same motherboard is critical to run the programs. The files can be retrieved, but the programs are gone.
That's all new to me, it's just what he said.

HP Elitebook 8530w (I think, I don't have it in front of me right now.) I'll look around and see if I can find another one.
Thanks.
I have been in and out of elitebooks quite a bit... that was definatly a high end laptop at the time but as you mentioned it is a bit old at this point.

It is not hard to move the necessary data to a new laptop (I do it all the time, IT is my day job). I might even have one of those laying around, I'd have to look.

If you want you can call me (I believe you have my number, if not pm me)

Richard

EDT: I will note that the elitebook W series has a replaceable graphics card....
 
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Old Jun 15, 2012 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Talyn
I hate HP's low end stuff, but I've got 3 HP laptops and they are all good.
Most manufacturers have 2 lines of equipment... Consumer and Business... Most of the time the Consumer level equipment is availible in stores and looks and feels cheap and plastic-ish... mostly because they are. Don't expect a consumer Laptop to last more than 2-3 years. I tend to get at least 4-5 out of the business level stuff.

I only reciently upgraded because of speed issues. I still have my 5 year old Dell Latitude D820 in perfect working condition... I use it for interfacing with my BMW and other tasks.

For Dell the Business lines include the Latitude and Precision laptops (I prefer the Latitudes) and Optiplex and Precision Desktops.

For HP the Elitebook series are their business level laptops. They are some of the best laptops made today. The down side is that they are more expensive for what you get.

I recommend Dell Latitudes for laptops up to 15" (best value available), but for a 17" I prefer the HP Elitebooks (I am working on one now).

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Old Jun 15, 2012 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkStarMedia
Most manufacturers have 2 lines of equipment... Consumer and Business... Most of the time the Consumer level equipment is availible in stores and looks and feels cheap and plastic-ish... mostly because they are. Don't expect a consumer Laptop to last more than 2-3 years. I tend to get at least 4-5 out of the business level stuff.

I only reciently upgraded because of speed issues. I still have my 5 year old Dell Latitude D820 in perfect working condition... I use it for interfacing with my BMW and other tasks.

For Dell the Business lines include the Latitude and Precision laptops (I prefer the Latitudes) and Optiplex and Precision Desktops.

For HP the Elitebook series are their business level laptops. They are some of the best laptops made today. The down side is that they are more expensive for what you get.

I recommend Dell Latitudes for laptops up to 15" (best value available), but for a 17" I prefer the HP Elitebooks (I am working on one now).

Richard
I been doing this over 18 years. I know whats going on.

All my laptops are 5 years or older though. =)


I have one HP that is 7 years old and used daily, and this one is 5 years old.


There are more than 2 grades of laptops.

3 to 4 actually.

It comes prevalent when you have to sell the friggen things everyday. I never realized how many piece of **** computers there were out there for you to buy from all the brands.
 
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Old Jun 15, 2012 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Talyn
I been doing this over 18 years. I know whats going on.

All my laptops are 5 years or older though. =)


I have one HP that is 7 years old and used daily, and this one is 5 years old.


There are more than 2 grades of laptops.

3 to 4 actually.

It comes prevalent when you have to sell the friggen things everyday. I never realized how many piece of **** computers there were out there for you to buy from all the brands.
I mostly deal with HP and Dell ... in the past I have learned the perils of buying cheap... remember emachines ...

I was mostly speaking about the ones I stick to... I have also been doing this for almost 20 years.... I actually have a nice hardware collection including a box of 8" brand new floppys (some missing) and every intel desktop proc from the 8086 to P4 except the 80186 and I think I have most of the coprocessors too.

Uh oh... did I just let my geek show....

Richard
 
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Old Jun 15, 2012 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkStarMedia
I mostly deal with HP and Dell ... in the past I have learned the perils of buying cheap... remember emachines ...

I was mostly speaking about the ones I stick to... I have also been doing this for almost 20 years.... I actually have a nice hardware collection including a box of 8" brand new floppys (some missing) and every intel desktop proc from the 8086 to P4 except the 80186 and I think I have most of the coprocessors too.

Uh oh... did I just let my geek show....

Richard
Ugh, I cannot stand dell.
 
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Old Jun 15, 2012 | 12:35 PM
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Ugh, I cannot stand dell.
The Dell business line has always served me well... good support too (consumer support and business support are completely different).

I'd be curious to hear you insights... but maybe by PM... we are getting a bit off topic....

Can you get off topic in an off topic thread....

Richard
 
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Old Jun 15, 2012 | 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkStarMedia
The Dell business line has always served me well... good support too (consumer support and business support are completely different).

I'd be curious to hear you insights... but maybe by PM... we are getting a bit off topic....

Can you get off topic in an off topic thread....

Richard

Off topic is the OBS forum specialty.

We can off topic and off topic off topic while off-topicing the first off topic.
 
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Old Jun 15, 2012 | 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Talyn
Off topic is the OBS forum specialty.

We can off topic and off topic off topic while off-topicing the first off topic.
Yeah.....see, it just happened! Got off topic by talking about getting off topic! See how easy it is! LOL!!
 
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