Coolant question on V10.
#16
Making it complicated - just drain out of the radiator until it's clear. No need to remove anything else unless you want to replace the thermostat and/or the gasket. The green anti-freeze is still made but like all coolants it now contains a bitter-ant to try and deter drinking by animals. Even disconnecting the hoses are really optional - I did them to ensure I could do 40/60 mix of coolant/water.
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Well someone has put the gold stuff in it. So I can either just dump and fill with the gold or go with the green and do a total flush. One has to wonder if the gold color is degraded green stuff with a little rust or is it good as gold? Since I bought it used, I don't know what color it was when it was last changed.
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Making it complicated - just drain out of the radiator until it's clear. No need to remove anything else unless you want to replace the thermostat and/or the gasket. The green anti-freeze is still made but like all coolants it now contains a bitter-ant to try and deter drinking by animals. Even disconnecting the hoses are really optional - I did them to ensure I could do 40/60 mix of coolant/water.
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Really? The manual for my 2001 says "use Ford Premium Engine Coolant (green in color). DO NOT USE Ford Extended Life Engine Coolant (orange in color)." It doesn't mention yellow at all.
It says the V10 needs 27.0L (28.5 quarts).
#20
The green stuff works fine, you just need to replace it sooner. I'm fine with that.
#21
The "orange" your manual refers to is the coolant Ford used in the '99 - '02 Cougars.
The "orange" is not the same as the Ford "gold" (Zerex G-05) coolant.
Don't be so quick to dismiss the use. A lot of people used to argue the OAT Extended Life Coolant (red in color) shouldn't be used for the late 1999 model year (MY) and up 7.3L PSD engine, but they were wrong.
On another forum, there was a moderator who always argued with Gooch (a coolant expert) about the use of ELC in the late '99 - '01 year diesels, even though International (who made the engines for Ford) changed some things on the engine to make use of ELC compatible, then recommended OAT ELC for the engines.
Early '99 7.3's should still use the conventional "green" coolant, but from MY late '99 and up, ELC is the best coolant that can be used, even though the manual recommends a conventional "green" coolant.
I'm not advocating the use of the Zerex G-05/Ford "gold" coolant in the early gasser engines since I haven't studied the proper coolant use for those engines like I have the 7.3L diesels, I'm just saying don't be quick to dismiss the idea until you've done your homework.
Stewart
EDIT: A quick search and some research indicates Ford DOES advocate the use of the Ford "gold"/Zerex G-05 coolant with Excursions that came from the factory with the conventional "green" coolant. So ComputerCowboy was NOT incorrect with his posted info.
Last edited by Stewart_H; 06-18-2012 at 03:04 AM. Reason: To add info
#22
Because the Ford "gold" (which looks yellow) wasn't put into use by Ford until 2002 model year, so your 2001 manual wouldn't address it.
The "orange" your manual refers to is the coolant Ford used in the '99 - '02 Cougars.
The "orange" is not the same as the Ford "gold" (Zerex G-05) coolant.
The "orange" your manual refers to is the coolant Ford used in the '99 - '02 Cougars.
The "orange" is not the same as the Ford "gold" (Zerex G-05) coolant.
Do not use this product in systems originally equipped with the orange-colored Motorcraft® Orange Antifreeze/Coolant, meeting Ford Specifications WSS-M97B44-D or –D2, or with the fluorescent green-colored Motorcraft® Premium Antifreeze/Coolant, meeting Ford Specification ESE-M97B44-A (refer to the Motorcraft® usage chart for exceptions), or with the dark green-colored Motorcraft® Specialty Green Engine Coolant, meeting Ford Specification WSS-M97B55-A
I did finally find this document that seems to support what you've said:http://www.fcsdchemicalsandlubricant...ref/scucEN.pdf
Currently the tank is green and I have no idea how long it's been in there, so now I need to decide whether I want to keep the green stuff or switch to yellow.
#23
#24
Because the Ford "gold" (which looks yellow) wasn't put into use by Ford until 2002 model year, so your 2001 manual wouldn't address it.
The "orange" your manual refers to is the coolant Ford used in the '99 - '02 Cougars.
The "orange" is not the same as the Ford "gold" (Zerex G-05) coolant.
Don't be so quick to dismiss the use. A lot of people used to argue the OAT Extended Life Coolant (red in color) shouldn't be used for the late 1999 model year (MY) and up 7.3L PSD engine, but they were wrong.
On another forum, there was a moderator who always argued with Gooch (a coolant expert) about the use of ELC in the late '99 - '01 year diesels, even though International (who made the engines for Ford) changed some things on the engine to make use of ELC compatible, then recommended OAT ELC for the engines.
Early '99 7.3's should still use the conventional "green" coolant, but from MY late '99 and up, ELC is the best coolant that can be used, even though the manual recommends a conventional "green" coolant.
I'm not advocating the use of the Zerex G-05/Ford "gold" coolant in the early gasser engines since I haven't studied the proper coolant use for those engines like I have the 7.3L diesels, I'm just saying don't be quick to dismiss the idea until you've done your homework.
Stewart
EDIT: A quick search and some research indicates Ford DOES advocate the use of the Ford "gold"/Zerex G-05 coolant with Excursions that came from the factory with the conventional "green" coolant. So ComputerCowboy was NOT incorrect with his posted info.
The "orange" your manual refers to is the coolant Ford used in the '99 - '02 Cougars.
The "orange" is not the same as the Ford "gold" (Zerex G-05) coolant.
Don't be so quick to dismiss the use. A lot of people used to argue the OAT Extended Life Coolant (red in color) shouldn't be used for the late 1999 model year (MY) and up 7.3L PSD engine, but they were wrong.
On another forum, there was a moderator who always argued with Gooch (a coolant expert) about the use of ELC in the late '99 - '01 year diesels, even though International (who made the engines for Ford) changed some things on the engine to make use of ELC compatible, then recommended OAT ELC for the engines.
Early '99 7.3's should still use the conventional "green" coolant, but from MY late '99 and up, ELC is the best coolant that can be used, even though the manual recommends a conventional "green" coolant.
I'm not advocating the use of the Zerex G-05/Ford "gold" coolant in the early gasser engines since I haven't studied the proper coolant use for those engines like I have the 7.3L diesels, I'm just saying don't be quick to dismiss the idea until you've done your homework.
Stewart
EDIT: A quick search and some research indicates Ford DOES advocate the use of the Ford "gold"/Zerex G-05 coolant with Excursions that came from the factory with the conventional "green" coolant. So ComputerCowboy was NOT incorrect with his posted info.
#25
You need to re-read my post. I used the diesel's to illustrate a point.
I know you and he were talking about the V10, that was clear. Just as it was clear I was posting a response to your assertion that using the Ford "gold" for the V10 was bad info by ComputerCowboy, when in fact it wasn't bad info, but was spot on.
Stewart
I know you and he were talking about the V10, that was clear. Just as it was clear I was posting a response to your assertion that using the Ford "gold" for the V10 was bad info by ComputerCowboy, when in fact it wasn't bad info, but was spot on.
Stewart
#26
You need to re-read my post. I used the diesel's to illustrate a point.
I know you and he were talking about the V10, that was clear. Just as it was clear I was posting a response to your assertion that using the Ford "gold" for the V10 was bad info by ComputerCowboy, when in fact it wasn't bad info, but was spot on.
Stewart
I know you and he were talking about the V10, that was clear. Just as it was clear I was posting a response to your assertion that using the Ford "gold" for the V10 was bad info by ComputerCowboy, when in fact it wasn't bad info, but was spot on.
Stewart
#27
The "gold" wasn't in use by Ford back in 2000/2001 so naturally your manual WOULDN'T address it.
But now, Ford DOES recommend you fill the V10 with the H-OAT Ford "gold" (Zerex G-05) coolant.
Because the Ford "gold" (which looks yellow) wasn't put into use by Ford until 2002 model year, so your 2001 manual wouldn't address it.
The "orange" your manual refers to is the coolant Ford used in the '99 - '02 Cougars.
The "orange" is not the same as the Ford "gold" (Zerex G-05) coolant.
Don't be so quick to dismiss the use. A lot of people used to argue the OAT Extended Life Coolant (red in color) shouldn't be used for the late 1999 model year (MY) and up 7.3L PSD engine, but they were wrong.
On another forum, there was a moderator who always argued with Gooch (a coolant expert) about the use of ELC in the late '99 - '01 year diesels, even though International (who made the engines for Ford) changed some things on the engine to make use of ELC compatible, then recommended OAT ELC for the engines.
Early '99 7.3's should still use the conventional "green" coolant, but from MY late '99 and up, ELC is the best coolant that can be used, even though the manual recommends a conventional "green" coolant.
I'm not advocating the use of the Zerex G-05/Ford "gold" coolant in the early gasser engines since I haven't studied the proper coolant use for those engines like I have the 7.3L diesels, I'm just saying don't be quick to dismiss the idea until you've done your homework.
Stewart
EDIT: A quick search and some research indicates Ford DOES advocate the use of the Ford "gold"/Zerex G-05 coolant with Excursions that came from the factory with the conventional "green" coolant. So ComputerCowboy was NOT incorrect with his posted info.
The "orange" your manual refers to is the coolant Ford used in the '99 - '02 Cougars.
The "orange" is not the same as the Ford "gold" (Zerex G-05) coolant.
Don't be so quick to dismiss the use. A lot of people used to argue the OAT Extended Life Coolant (red in color) shouldn't be used for the late 1999 model year (MY) and up 7.3L PSD engine, but they were wrong.
On another forum, there was a moderator who always argued with Gooch (a coolant expert) about the use of ELC in the late '99 - '01 year diesels, even though International (who made the engines for Ford) changed some things on the engine to make use of ELC compatible, then recommended OAT ELC for the engines.
Early '99 7.3's should still use the conventional "green" coolant, but from MY late '99 and up, ELC is the best coolant that can be used, even though the manual recommends a conventional "green" coolant.
I'm not advocating the use of the Zerex G-05/Ford "gold" coolant in the early gasser engines since I haven't studied the proper coolant use for those engines like I have the 7.3L diesels, I'm just saying don't be quick to dismiss the idea until you've done your homework.
Stewart
EDIT: A quick search and some research indicates Ford DOES advocate the use of the Ford "gold"/Zerex G-05 coolant with Excursions that came from the factory with the conventional "green" coolant. So ComputerCowboy was NOT incorrect with his posted info.
Thanks for the clarification.
I did finally find this document that seems to support what you've said:
http://www.fcsdchemicalsandlubricant...ref/scucEN.pdf
I did finally find this document that seems to support what you've said:
http://www.fcsdchemicalsandlubricant...ref/scucEN.pdf
Stewart
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