I have a 37 Ford restorod with a 1986 F150 302/AOD in it. Edelbrock carb and Mustang intake, efi and emission stuff gone. Now gov't guys in Ontario Canada are fining everybody big time with emission stuff gone on any engine in any car or truck since 1970.
I can leave carb on but need to put smog crap back on to be legal or switch to a pre 70 motor. Can anybody tell me what emission stuff was on this motor, It is rebuilt and I would like to keep it in?
Much appreciated, Doug

 

How do they know what year the motor is? Are you sure you read that casting number correctly? Are you sure it didn't start with a C?

Sorry I can't be more help.

 

If you want to make this engine legal again as far as how it was certified in 86, you will need to put the fuel injection back on it. All 302's I know of after 85 were fuel injected in some form or fashion, and Ford went to a lot of trouble and money to make them pass that way.

You are going to have to find out more about this. We have exemptions for antique vehicles down here, but of course you can't drive it to work everyday, only to shows, parades, and to the shop to get it worked on.

Someone in the government somewhere had a head on their shoulders, and figured a car buff with a old car is not going to contribute much to the smog problem, if it sits in the garage most of the time, and a babied well taken care of hobby automobile is going to be kept well tuned anyway. There is always someone in the crowd to ruin it for everyone else though, and they put antique tags on a junker and drive it to work everyday to skip the smog tests and such, and the lawmakers are threatening to tighten the rules up to prevent this.

 

Well, some states down here have some exemptions for antique vehicles. Unlike Virginia where my truck lived its first 23 yrs, it could get antique tags, but here in Tennessee, if it is modified in any way, it doesn't qualify.

I had forgotten about the EFI, Dave. That's a good point. I bet the setup that is on there now is much cleaner than the 1937 engine was, but ....

 

Thanks guys. Not sure I need to put efi back on, that would be a pain, I tossed it all.
These aholes are pulling over muscle cars, trucks and hot rods. Our province(state) is in big debt, they have found a cash cow. One guy was fined $2000 and another guy was fined $4900. You have 30 days to make it legal but still have to pay the fine for what you did. Even though it was not illegal when you did it.
The motors of 70 and older are exempt as all we had here was a pvc. If you can prove you did the install prior to 99 you can also be exempt.
$375 fine for each cat missing, $375 for egr, $375 for air pump, $375 for canister, etc, etc., adds up pretty fast.
I have access to a 65 Comet 289 from my buddy, may put that in and save my 86 for later. Apparently 87 and older may be exempted in a year or two.
Pain in the *** for sure. We have trains, buses and airplanes here polluting more than rodders but they can't catch those drivers? Most are gov't employees anyway.grrrrrrrrrrrr
May have to sell my rod to somebody in US! I winter in Florida and love how easy it is down there to build, register and enjoy your car!

 

When they pull you over they go under the hood to do a visual for the pollution stuff. If missing, they go under the car with mirrors to check block serial number (on top for Chevy). Then they go to their books or laptops to the mfg database and cross check the number for the year of build.

They are agents for the MOT (MTO). If you give them lip they pull your plates or take your car!!!!!!

 

There aren't any serial numbers on any Ford engine I've ever seen...

Casting ID numbers, sure, but those give minimal information.

In addition to the Casting ID, there will be a Casting Date and, at least on my M-block, an Engine Assembly Date but the latter can't be seen without removing the front of the engine.

The Casting IDs are on the passenger side of the block, down by the starter motor. But it's just an Engineering ID number, not much can be gleaned from it IMHO.

 

On my motor, I sanded it smooth before painting (it does look really, really nice) and some of that number under the casting number on my block is missing. I could have very easily taken off the casting number, too. Sounds like something a very little ginding and spot of engine paint could obscure making it impossible for them to determine the manufacture date was 1986. Are there changes in the block, i.e. mounting points, etc, that could give it away?

Would the Canadian bureaucrats cite you if they couldn't determine when the motor was made?

 

I was cruising the "free to good home" thread and found Jeremiah1213 said "Ok so I'm converting my 1986 f150 302 efi to carb, ....." Just a thought, but he may be getting rid of a lot of the stuff you are looking for. He posted that on 5/13, if I recall correctly. Good hunting.

 

If they had a Ford nut in the ranks, they could get hints. All you have to do is look at the old 289, and you will see the valve covers look a little different, and there may be casting numbers on the intake if you used a Ford intake. Of course if you used chrome valve covers and aircleaner, that would eliminate that, but you still have the problem of them finding the numbers; In other words, if they find no proof that it's a pre 70 engine, they may cite you anyway, since the numbers are supposed to be there, but they have been ground off. The government works that way you know, they can cite you and then the burden of proof is in your lap.

I wonder what they do about the fuel system on a old truck like yours. The closed fuel tank system with the charcoal canister is part of the emissions system, so they are going to make you retro fit that to the old 37 gas tank, or a fuel cell in/or under the bed? What a mess.

This is your sign. Find a old flathead and put it in there with a adapter to a modern tranny.

 

I know, Dave. Here in the United States, one used to be innocent until proven guilty, but that is slowly changing.

 

Thanks guys. It is a stock 302, all I did was add the Mustang alum. intake, stock Mustang cam and Edelbrock carb.
Yes, guilty until proven innocent in this case which is defintely not the norm in Canada. If you have no numbers, big trouble.
Thanks for the tip ctubutis, I have the numbers by the starter, thought it was the s/n? I assume the casting numbers would still give them a range of build dates but maybe I am lucky?
I have a buddy with a 289 from his 65 Comet, I just told him I would buy it. I will stick it in the garage until I decide what to do.
Too bad, the 302 and AOD were rebuilt and only have about 25,000 on them. Wonder if the 289 would bolt up to the AOD?
Thanks, Doug

 

The only thing you can reliably determine from the Casting ID just by looking at it is see the first year for which the part was designed for use.

For example, an ID of

D5AE 6015-AA

is an engine block that was first designed for use in 1975 automobile engines but there is nothing saying for how many years in the future that casting design was used or for what purposes.

Here is a site that explains Casting IDs, Date Codes, etc. etc. etc.:

Classic Mustang Part Number Decoding Guide

 

It may not. The 260's and the very early 289's started out with a oddball 5 bolt bellhousing pattern. They then changed to the 6 bolt pattern that is common with all the later 289's, 302's, 351c's, 351w's and 300 sixes. Check what he has, you might be stuck with limited transmission options if it's the 5 bolt pattern engine.

 

Geez that sucks, I am sure his is 5 bolt. He has the C4 too but it needs rebuild
I am going to check my numbers in the morning and look over that casting site and see what I can determine.
Really hate to give up on this 302 yet!!!!!!!!!!!