help with erratic surging diesel
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help with erratic surging diesel
New to this forum and reaching out to solve my problem on my 2001 7.3 Excursion. Last year this engine developed a very slight intermittent "bump" or "cutout" feel to it that was noticeable while driving at a constant speed. If it were a gas engine, I would say it felt like a slight intermittent miss. The tach did not show any fluctuation. It was just an annoying jerk feel to it. I have plenty of exeprience working on IDI 7.3's but none on the PSD. I took it to a highly recommended diesel shop who said I had a weak injector and suggested I replace them all. I went with new Aliants. After Thousands, I still had the same problem. I took it back to be told it ran strong. It was always strong! I took it to another highly recommended diesel shop who said one of the new injectors was wrong and bad. Found out it wasn't bad. Finally I took it to the fleet department at our local Ford dealer. They kept it weeks and said they could feel it but could not determine the problem. They gave me the vehicle back with no charges. He said he suspected the ICP but couldn't confirm it and suggested I wait until it starts running worse.
Before I took it in the first time, I bought an IPR but never installed it. It is now considerably worse. At idle I can now see the tach fluctuate slightly. When driving with no or a light load the hesitation or surge feeling is more pronounced.
I don't have a scanner but plenty of tools and abilities. I am considering replacing the ICP and IPR just to see if this corrects my problem. I have thrown way too much money in to professionals that have done nothing for the problem. I am ready to do what it takes to solve this myself, which I should have done in the first place. I'm looking for advice to see if I am headed in the right direction or should be looking at other issues.
Thanks and sorry this is so lengthy.
Before I took it in the first time, I bought an IPR but never installed it. It is now considerably worse. At idle I can now see the tach fluctuate slightly. When driving with no or a light load the hesitation or surge feeling is more pronounced.
I don't have a scanner but plenty of tools and abilities. I am considering replacing the ICP and IPR just to see if this corrects my problem. I have thrown way too much money in to professionals that have done nothing for the problem. I am ready to do what it takes to solve this myself, which I should have done in the first place. I'm looking for advice to see if I am headed in the right direction or should be looking at other issues.
Thanks and sorry this is so lengthy.
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Welcome to FTE, I'll bet you won't regret signing on. I guess the "scanner" at the Ford dealership wasn't portable enough to have it active while driving on the road. I'm sorry you've endured so much. I blew $5000 on mine before I started consulting the brotherhood on FTE, so I'm familiar with your pain.
I am no professional diesel mechanic, but I'm mechanically inclined and I understand electromechanical devices. I bought AutoEnginutiy because I can record data while driving, read data, and make useful graphs. You are a perfect candidate for getting AE (link in my signature), I hope you have a laptop or netbook. I bought mine from Clay at www.riffraffdiesel.com. Clay really knows these these trucks and is a great resource for OEM parts, mods, and upgrades.
The last link in my signature should prove very useful for many issues in these aging vehicles.
I am no professional diesel mechanic, but I'm mechanically inclined and I understand electromechanical devices. I bought AutoEnginutiy because I can record data while driving, read data, and make useful graphs. You are a perfect candidate for getting AE (link in my signature), I hope you have a laptop or netbook. I bought mine from Clay at www.riffraffdiesel.com. Clay really knows these these trucks and is a great resource for OEM parts, mods, and upgrades.
The last link in my signature should prove very useful for many issues in these aging vehicles.
#5
Thanks, I will check out AutoEnginuity. Oh, the truck has never thrown any codes. I was told that they drove around with it connected but just couldn't see anything. It's something that is going to take time to isolate properly, something that I guess commissioned shops just don't have time for.
#6
New to this forum and reaching out to solve my problem on my 2001 7.3 Excursion. Last year this engine developed a very slight intermittent "bump" or "cutout" feel to it that was noticeable while driving at a constant speed. If it were a gas engine, I would say it felt like a slight intermittent miss. The tach did not show any fluctuation. It was just an annoying jerk feel to it. I have plenty of exeprience working on IDI 7.3's but none on the PSD. I took it to a highly recommended diesel shop who said I had a weak injector and suggested I replace them all. I went with new Aliants. After Thousands, I still had the same problem. I took it back to be told it ran strong. It was always strong! I took it to another highly recommended diesel shop who said one of the new injectors was wrong and bad. Found out it wasn't bad. Finally I took it to the fleet department at our local Ford dealer. They kept it weeks and said they could feel it but could not determine the problem. They gave me the vehicle back with no charges. He said he suspected the ICP but couldn't confirm it and suggested I wait until it starts running worse.
Before I took it in the first time, I bought an IPR but never installed it. It is now considerably worse. At idle I can now see the tach fluctuate slightly. When driving with no or a light load the hesitation or surge feeling is more pronounced.
I don't have a scanner but plenty of tools and abilities. I am considering replacing the ICP and IPR just to see if this corrects my problem. I have thrown way too much money in to professionals that have done nothing for the problem. I am ready to do what it takes to solve this myself, which I should have done in the first place. I'm looking for advice to see if I am headed in the right direction or should be looking at other issues.
Thanks and sorry this is so lengthy.
Before I took it in the first time, I bought an IPR but never installed it. It is now considerably worse. At idle I can now see the tach fluctuate slightly. When driving with no or a light load the hesitation or surge feeling is more pronounced.
I don't have a scanner but plenty of tools and abilities. I am considering replacing the ICP and IPR just to see if this corrects my problem. I have thrown way too much money in to professionals that have done nothing for the problem. I am ready to do what it takes to solve this myself, which I should have done in the first place. I'm looking for advice to see if I am headed in the right direction or should be looking at other issues.
Thanks and sorry this is so lengthy.
#7
Thanks, I will check out AutoEnginuity. Oh, the truck has never thrown any codes. I was told that they drove around with it connected but just couldn't see anything. It's something that is going to take time to isolate properly, something that I guess commissioned shops just don't have time for.
With AE you can monitor and record live data, so even if no code is set you may catch some clues by checking the live data log to see what everything was doing when it happened. Our trucks have over 400 sensors, on my 02 I have 484.
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No. I did try the Icp. I replaced mine with no change. It still runs with the same slight intermittent jerk that's most noticeable at constant speeds. So to recap, injectors, valve cover harness and Icp have all been replaced. I'm deployed right now do can't get to troubleshooting again until next month but can still read and consider suggestions. I would like and considering the auto engenuity.
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