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Old Apr 7, 2012 | 08:00 PM
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Fully boxed frame. Wonder where they got that idea. I'm not sure how they're installed, but I can picture a few years of winter road junk screwing up those little grille shutters. I get the concept, but I'm not sure I would want them.
Dodge Ram frames have been fully boxed since ~2000...and the Toyota Land Cruiser frames were fully boxed since 1980 - possibly earlier. Fully boxed chassis are nothing new.

The starter for start-stop technology is not a traditional starter. It will either be a special alternator-starter, or a special direct drive starter in the transmission, possibly integrated with the torque converter.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2012 | 04:49 AM
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Are they still putting coil springs in the back?
 
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Old Apr 8, 2012 | 10:14 AM
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Are they still putting coil springs in the back?
Yep! It's a car, not a truck
 
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Old Apr 8, 2012 | 01:21 PM
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seems pretty nice. just not a big dodge fan
 
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Old Apr 8, 2012 | 02:13 PM
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Max payload for the 1500 is 1417. An optioned f-150 is rated for more payload and almost as much towing as a ram 2500.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2012 | 05:34 PM
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Max payload and towing for the '09-'12 Rams is 1900 pounds and 10,450 pounds respectfully. The '13 will bring that up to 3,125 pounds and 11,500 pounds respectfully.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2012 | 05:53 PM
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That be why they NEED airbags. It's got to be the only way to increase the load capability on the coil springs. I was looking at the reg cab on the dodge website and that's where I got the payload number.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2012 | 05:55 PM
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And not that it matters, you can barely fit a pack of gum in the short bed with ram boxes.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2012 | 05:58 PM
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It's still wide enough for a sheet of plywood, ATV, etc..
 
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Old Apr 8, 2012 | 06:13 PM
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The exterior looks a lot the same to me, still like the F150 much more. Too much gimmicky looking plastic chrome bling on the Ram imo. Interior more of the same, reminds me of an ipod (apple) showroom, fake and gimmicky.
The thumbwheel controlled shifter mechanism should probably go the way of early mopar pushbutton selected torqueflights too. yuck.
In Chryslers favor, an associate of mine just got his '12 3500 dually big horn (or whatever) edition. Cummins 24v is very quiet, great tow mule, fast and comfortable. On a 70 mile round trip I took with him, I felt like we were driving a real time video game, not a good thing, again imo.
I'll take a Ford. Same stuff without the feeling its all made of plastic and wires.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2012 | 06:18 PM
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Lead head wants a dodge. It's okay, you can admit it. I had a friend help me pick up a couch because my gas pump was out. The guys loading it just laughed when they looked at the bed size. Needless to say I loaded the same couch in my 92 Ford shortbed and had way more room for error

To their credit, the tie down system they stole from Nissan is pretty cool.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2012 | 06:32 PM
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or a special direct drive starter in the transmission, possibly integrated with the torque converter.
Anyone want to speculate on how many zeros ahead of the decimal point a full rebuild on that might be?
Honey, the trans blew on the Ram...sell the house.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2012 | 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by TheWhiteBeast
Lead head wants a dodge. It's okay, you can admit it. I had a friend help me pick up a couch because my gas pump was out. The guys loading it just laughed when they looked at the bed size. Needless to say I loaded the same couch in my 92 Ford shortbed and had way more room for error

To their credit, the tie down system they stole from Nissan is pretty cool.
No, I'm just posting the facts. I have no bias towards dodge or against ford.
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Anyone want to speculate on how many zeros ahead of the decimal point a full rebuild on that might be?
Honey, the trans blew on the Ram...sell the house.
Actually turns out I was wrong. They come with a special starter rated for 300,000 starts, and a 220 amp alternator.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2012 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Lead Head

Actually turns out I was wrong. They come with a special starter rated for 300,000 starts, and a 220 amp alternator.
Let's see. Any newer Ford truck since the 08 model year has been designed for a service life of approximately 250,000 miles. Many will last a lot longer.
A typical fleet driven truck is likely going to see a lot of urban use, stop and go driving, 10 or 12 stops per mile not unusual.
Using that scenario and the starter rated at 300,000 cycles yields what, a starter every 30-50 k miles? I'll pass.
 
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Old Apr 8, 2012 | 07:12 PM
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After owning 2 Ram 1500's both Hemi's, and the screwing I took when I traded my 06 Dodge in on a 08 F150 I learned my lesson. You can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig. Pretty don't make a dodge any better. The 2 I had 04 and 06 had awful seats, sound echoed through them and there didn't seem to be any sound insulation anywhere. I didn't have the Laramie but an XLT is still 200% quieter.
 
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