Help with possible engine/tranny choices
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Tuned
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Help with possible engine/tranny choices
Hey guys-
Well I finally finished teardown of the entire truck and have it all in pieces. I still have a few smaller pieces to take off to make it complete but for now I am at a stopping point till I get more time. I am attaching some pictures of my frame with the engine and transmission mounts. The truck had a 223 / T98 combo in it but I want to update it more so I can drive it on the highway occasionally.
I am wondering what other engine/tranny combos will work with these mounts so I have to cut and change as little as possible. I am planning on using the truck as a weekend driver and occasionally making trips which would require highway speeds.
Thanks in advance.
Well I finally finished teardown of the entire truck and have it all in pieces. I still have a few smaller pieces to take off to make it complete but for now I am at a stopping point till I get more time. I am attaching some pictures of my frame with the engine and transmission mounts. The truck had a 223 / T98 combo in it but I want to update it more so I can drive it on the highway occasionally.
I am wondering what other engine/tranny combos will work with these mounts so I have to cut and change as little as possible. I am planning on using the truck as a weekend driver and occasionally making trips which would require highway speeds.
Thanks in advance.
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Stock Mounts - Newer Eng/Trans?
Hey There, I'm not sure that anything besides a stock setup would work with stock mounts. I think you would do well to read a bunch of threads regarding engine/trans swaps on the FTE site to get a better feel for what is possible and will then fit your desires.
You must have some kind of idea of what you want in an engine and transmission?
I first wanted a muscle machine with a BIG block, but after reading through many threads decided to go for a 302/5.0 to keep down fab work and complications. I also first was going C-4 trans, but after further reading, decided to go AOD for the overdrive. I still needed to do fab work for the engine/trans, so keep in mind that mounting a more modern unit will still have some necessary mount changes.
Good Luck. Joe
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They make motor mounts for these old trucks, so you can get just about anything in there without having to do much work. Granite some powertrains like a Cummins will require some more extensive modification, but in all reality it's pretty easy to get anything to fit in one of these trucks.
For a daily driver and a little more pull, you might look into the 300 in-line 6. I've never heard anything but nice things about it on here. A 302 or a 5.0 is also a great choice. Something to keep in mind on your choice is how available parts are, sure you can use the internet to find anything you need for an older engine, but it makes it difficult if you break down somewhere and just need a quick fix. Suddenly a fuel pump or even battery (6v) can become a bit of a hassle to change out on the road.
And it always starts as "just for the weekend", but it becomes something you want to drive every chance you can pretty quick in my experience.
For a daily driver and a little more pull, you might look into the 300 in-line 6. I've never heard anything but nice things about it on here. A 302 or a 5.0 is also a great choice. Something to keep in mind on your choice is how available parts are, sure you can use the internet to find anything you need for an older engine, but it makes it difficult if you break down somewhere and just need a quick fix. Suddenly a fuel pump or even battery (6v) can become a bit of a hassle to change out on the road.
And it always starts as "just for the weekend", but it becomes something you want to drive every chance you can pretty quick in my experience.
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I did a lot of digging on trans swap for my F1, The T98 family should all interchange pretty well, T98 -> T18 -> T19... problem is, you still have a 1:1 final ratio, so highway you got a screaming deamon. All said and done with your existing setup, I would probably go 289/302 and then T19 for ease of swap. Double check my work, and if the T19 is gonna be anything but smooth as butter then scrap that and look at T5 (5 speed OD), I am in the middle of a T5 (on stock flathead) myself right now, and it is really a pretty smooth deal.
Please let us know, you have a F2+ right, not a F1... and what is the ratio on the differential - those will play pretty heavy in trans choices, the T98 is not easy to put in a F1.
Please let us know, you have a F2+ right, not a F1... and what is the ratio on the differential - those will play pretty heavy in trans choices, the T98 is not easy to put in a F1.
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Tuned
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Well my plan originally was for a 302 with a c4, or c6 but after I got the truck all apart I got to looking at the crossmembers and wanted to see what I could find that might fit the existing mounts instead of cutting those out and installing new ones.
I forgot the truck is a 1955 F100. I don't know the ratio on my differential. I know it has a "44" stamped into the front passenger side of it but the tag from the glovebox was long gone before I got the truck. If anyone knows we're I can find out what I have that would help lots.
But from what I am gathering so far with the responses is I'm gonna need to replace the crossmembers unless I stay with what I have.
I forgot the truck is a 1955 F100. I don't know the ratio on my differential. I know it has a "44" stamped into the front passenger side of it but the tag from the glovebox was long gone before I got the truck. If anyone knows we're I can find out what I have that would help lots.
But from what I am gathering so far with the responses is I'm gonna need to replace the crossmembers unless I stay with what I have.
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If you want to find your ratio, lift the back tires off the ground and mark the tire at 12 o clock, and mark the driveshaft. You can turn the drive shaft by hand and count how many times the tire goes around per 10 spins of the drive shaft. If it goes around 30 times for 10 spins, you have 3.00 for example. There are other ways but it gives you a quick idea of what you're running. If you want to be really accurate I guess you could go around 100 times and if you ended up with 300 tire rotations you'd know you where dead at 3.00. Might want a helper to could though as it can get easy to loose track, lol.
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No need to cut crossmembers - depending....
Hi again, I just wanted to mention that depending on the way you go, it is not necessary to cut anything, only to add crossmembers.
Mine is cut out with a new removable one fabbed, but several members' have set ups that don't cut out the original cross members.
I know this to be true for the 302/5.0, but not sure about big blocks which likely need more extensive frame mods.
Joe
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You should do a quick search on cross members. You really want to keep what you have in place. The original cross member supports the transmission, but it is also the mount for the brake master cylinder. The lesser known role of that cross member is to keep the frame from spreading where the body mounts to the frame....so if you cut that one out, you'll have to put something back to support the frame. As AmericanROCKBREAD points out...you can leave that crossmember in and add a new one for whatever trans you choose.
Take a look at Dennis Carpenter, Fatman Fabrications, or maybe TCI, Speedway Motors, or Classic Haulers...you'll see the engine mounts that are weld-in parts, and they're available for just about any engine that you can think of.
Keep us posted with pics of your project!!
Dan
Take a look at Dennis Carpenter, Fatman Fabrications, or maybe TCI, Speedway Motors, or Classic Haulers...you'll see the engine mounts that are weld-in parts, and they're available for just about any engine that you can think of.
Keep us posted with pics of your project!!
Dan
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I am running a 289 with a late model toploader. Engine placement is key...making sure you have enough room in front of the eingine for the fan and shroud and enough in back for your valve covers to clear.
Go on...just ask me how I know!!!
I was able to use the stock trans crossmember with a little fabrication. The front mounts are home made, welded to the frame. If I had it to do over again I would look for individual motor mounts that were designed for that frame that welded in place. They sell those crossmember kits that are a POS in my opinion. I tried it...never could get it to fit right.
Go on...just ask me how I know!!!
I was able to use the stock trans crossmember with a little fabrication. The front mounts are home made, welded to the frame. If I had it to do over again I would look for individual motor mounts that were designed for that frame that welded in place. They sell those crossmember kits that are a POS in my opinion. I tried it...never could get it to fit right.
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Howdy,
If you want to go with a readily available 6 and trans, get a 300 + ZF-5 speed (0.80 OD) out of a newer F150.
If you get one new enough, you get EFI and with the right rear axle ratio, you could get a pretty slow turning engine on the freeway.
They're in every wrecking yard. I have seen running 300's on craigslist for $200 or less.
If I was not going to use a 292 Y-block in my 55 F-600, I would be getting the newest EFI 300 I could find to go in front of my E4OD!
If you want to go with a readily available 6 and trans, get a 300 + ZF-5 speed (0.80 OD) out of a newer F150.
If you get one new enough, you get EFI and with the right rear axle ratio, you could get a pretty slow turning engine on the freeway.
They're in every wrecking yard. I have seen running 300's on craigslist for $200 or less.
If I was not going to use a 292 Y-block in my 55 F-600, I would be getting the newest EFI 300 I could find to go in front of my E4OD!
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Tuned
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Will a t5 bolt to a 223? And if so do you have a link to a bellhousing that would also be compatible?
I like the idea of using a 300 and have thought about it several times but do they sell a crossmember for our truck to mount the engine? I don't have the best fab skills and was looking at bolt in crossmembers since the make them for a 289/302/351 combo.
I like the idea of using a 300 and have thought about it several times but do they sell a crossmember for our truck to mount the engine? I don't have the best fab skills and was looking at bolt in crossmembers since the make them for a 289/302/351 combo.
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Technical Ford F100 - 223 - T5 tranny - has it been done? - THE H.A.M.B. here is a link on the hamb about a 223 and t5. Looks like you get your bellhousing modified and thats it.
Here is a price sheet http://www.ford-y-block.com/isix.htm
Here is a price sheet http://www.ford-y-block.com/isix.htm
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