They are the same but I don't know if International is having problems or not (I don't know why they wouldn't be). I'll see if I can find out.

 

Thanks Joe.
Greg

 

Go over to "the diesel slop" and search my posts from a couple of years ago. You'll find that I had a FORD-owned (not a regular franchise) dealer service center AND the regional Ford Service "guru" both tell me exactly what Calibergrl was told.

After raising some pretty big stink, they got me some $$ under a "customer retention program". I took their money and the un-fixable 2000 F250 and traded them for a new 2001 F350 at another dealership.

Point is that Ford (and it's dealers) do, in fact, tell people that they "don't know how to fix your truck".

 

First, I dont own a powerstroke, or a cummins, or a duramax, nor do I claim to know anything about these particular engines. I have rebuilt a number of both diesel and gas engines and would say my mechanical knowledge and abilities are above average. From what I have read here, it seems that most of the 6.0 problems are from faulty injectors or electronic controls. Does having a set of crap injectors mean the engine is a p.o.s.? NO. If these engines were throwing rods, developing cracks or something like that, Id say they might be a p.o.s. too, but thats not the case. I just cant believe how some of you guys are bashing the 6.0, when its just little things causing the problems.

 

"I just cant believe how some of you guys are bashing the 6.0, when its just little things causing the problems."

Easy to say - IF you aren't the one left walking when your latest $40,000 investment craps out on you - as to distinctions on specific parts failing, whatinhell difference does it make if the computer dies, leaving the engine useless, or the crankshaft breaks and does the same thing? Shoe-leather is shoe-leather - and EITHER failure will leave you using LOTS of it!

It's bad enough when that $40,000 is primarily just transportation - but it gets REAL ugly if you use your truck to EARN those monthly payments - can't get much dough earned when your bread-and-butter truck is in the shop...

A 10 cent part that is poorly designed and failing regularly, leaves you stranded alongside the road just as surely as a $100 one - and I doubt YOU would get much comfort knowing your long sweaty walk for help was "only" caused by a "cheap" component...

 

Gary - KJ6Q -

I agree. I don't use my truck for work, but I do use it to tow my car trailer cross-country. The last thing that I want is some computer glitch to leave me stranded by the road, in the middle of nowhere, on a Sunday morning. That is a risk that I just do not want to take. Read the posts on this forum. MANY people stranded 100's miles from home.

Many people have pointed out (correctly) that there is no guarantee that my 7.3 won't crap out. I can't argue with that, but my '99 7.3 had no problems. I mean ZERO. Fluid and filter changes only. It is a known quantity to me. Does it have its own problems? Yes it does, but we all know the watch-outs by now and the fixes.

In a year or two, the same will be said of the 6.0. Just not now.

 

Im not saying some of the points you have made arent valid. If my new truck crapped out i would be pissed too. Im just saying that the problem isnt the engine itself,and it seems like you are ragging the 6.0 just because you prefer cummins.I know cummins engines are outstanding, but do you think they have never had issues? If you had an injector go bad on your cummins would you get rid of the truck? Now the computer nerds at Ford DO need to get their $h*%t wired tight and fix their part of the deal. Personally, I hate electronic controls. My diesel is so old it it is idi with swirl pre chambers and uses a Bosch A pump.

 

It's not the programmers I don't think, they just program what they are told to make it do. Is it the engine guys telling them to program it the wrong way?

 

OK, the electronic engeneers (still computer nerds) need to get their $h%t wired tight. My God, whatever happened to just needing hand tools to fix a truck?

 

I miss those days too!

 

Ford would really love to be able to claim that the issues are just programming glitches. But, as we learn more about the solutions to the problems, it seems injectors, turbo, EGR, castings, and various seals are the root cause of many complaints. I don't care how good of a programmer/engineer you are, it's hard to "fix" bad hardware with software.

 

You may be right, I dont know,I have just been going on what I have read here. I only interjected because some people seem to be bashing the 6.0 because they like other brands.

 

Most of the parts that they are having problems with are most likely not made "in house" this means that they contract the work out ot other companies like hayes lamerz (sp?) and others, if the quality from the sub-contractors is poor than what do you expect is going to happen. I don;t blaim it on Ford, I blame it on the ignorant lazy union workers my dad works with, they make the intakes for 5.4 and 4.6 they (CMI HL) the sub company has to scrap some because of bad sand for the core, the way it works there is once one core is used it is immediately thrown away. So the quality issues trickle to the top from the bottom so to speak.

 

Not at all - at least as far as *I* am concerned!

Dodge has had their share of problems, some Cummins related, lots with various peripherals - but we dern sure didn't find solutions to those problems by denying them, ignoring them, or attacking those owners who were having problems and wanted to vent and look for solutions! Ask any longer term Dodge owner about automatic tranny failures, rapid wearing brakes in the mid-to-late 90's - and lift pump and injection pump failures on the 24 valve engines - WE have problems too, but we work to find ways to CURE those problems, or radically reduce their severity and frequency - that's all I'm trying to urge here - we saw the GM bunch turn into a group of paranoid "conspiracy" fanatics every time some new owner showed up with a problem - asking for VIN #'s, service shop work order #'s and all sorts of foolishness - you guys are BETTER than that, and Ford is a better product - work together, LISTEN to new members comments, and offer whatever help you can - forget the "conspiracy" bit about other brands, and stop looking over your shoulder for imaginary "enemies" - sure, there WILL be a few of those - but ignore them, and focus on what you KNOW, and together, you WILL work your way thru what problems you have, and end up with a great product!

 

I wonder if the dealerships even look on line for help I spoke to my dealer ship and told him of all the issues with this engine. 6.0 . They actually said that they do not know how to fix the problem. Wow this gives me alot of confidence in Ford. I like fords never had a problem until now. I am hoping they will give me a new truck . This week, without a fight.

I have filled out the arbitration paper work. What else can a girl do .!!!!!!!!!