What do you think
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What do you think
OK, I know some of you may say this is political and I'm sorry for stretching the rules but I was wondering what you all think of this: VFW Members Duct Tape Flag Burner to Pole - YouTube
Personally I support the VFW's actions...
Personally I support the VFW's actions...
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Since I don't have speakers on my work computer, I'll have to watch it again at home toinight. However, it seems to me the poor SOB made a decision and has to live with the consequences. I fully support his right to burn the flag. His choice of venue, however, wasn't the smartest choice.
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Stu, he didn't just take his own flag to a VFW compound and burn it on the property....He lowered the VFW flag which was on the flagpole and burned it.........
Injury to personal property with VFW as the 'victim'.......
It's not a free speech matter.
Injury to personal property with VFW as the 'victim'.......
It's not a free speech matter.
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Very well said
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The Post Commander said he tracked the guy down, gave him a few options....he volunteered to sit, duct taped to the pole.
It's nice to have options.
It's nice to have options.
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Let's just say I will agree to disagree with you Stu37d when it comes down to the right to burn an American Flag. In my opinion, No One has the right to burn Our flag, Sometimes it is ones duty too. But even then it is done properly with respect in a set ceramony. This un-named individual should be trialed for treason and punished as such. Countless men and women have paid the ultimate price defending our Flag and what it stands for. I pray I never witness someone trying to burn it. I would proudly stand in front of a jury of my peers and justify my actions. Post tramatic stress disorder, or flashback label it however you wish, I call it carrying out an Oath to defend against all enemies, Foreign and domestic. He got off lucky. I believe our County Sherriff Steve Bizzell would agree, it would be justified. Welcome to Johnston County.
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I hate to say it, but that scored some points for the kid IMO.....
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Let's just say I will agree to disagree with you Stu37d when it comes down to the right to burn an American Flag.
Disagree if you want, free speech is a right I'll defend forever. I think flag burning is wrong. Freedom of speech goes both ways... you can't believe in free speech when it suits you, you either belive in it or you don't.
In my opinion, No One has the right to burn Our flag, Sometimes it is ones duty too.
Sorry, but your opinion does not trump the law.
But even then it is done properly with respect in a set ceramony. This un-named individual should be trialed for treason and punished as such.
How is this treason?
Countless men and women have paid the ultimate price defending our Flag and what it stands for. I pray I never witness someone trying to burn it.
Me, either. But I think exercising your own free speech would be better than assaulting the flag burner.
I would proudly stand in front of a jury of my peers and justify my actions.
Would you proudly go to jail for assault, too?
Post tramatic stress disorder, or flashback label it however you wish, I call it carrying out an Oath to defend against all enemies, Foreign and domestic.
I took the same oath a few times. But it was to defend the country, not assault someone expressing his free speech rights.
He got off lucky. I believe our County Sherriff Steve Bizzell would agree, it would be justified. Welcome to Johnston County.
Disagree if you want, free speech is a right I'll defend forever. I think flag burning is wrong. Freedom of speech goes both ways... you can't believe in free speech when it suits you, you either belive in it or you don't.
In my opinion, No One has the right to burn Our flag, Sometimes it is ones duty too.
Sorry, but your opinion does not trump the law.
But even then it is done properly with respect in a set ceramony. This un-named individual should be trialed for treason and punished as such.
How is this treason?
Countless men and women have paid the ultimate price defending our Flag and what it stands for. I pray I never witness someone trying to burn it.
Me, either. But I think exercising your own free speech would be better than assaulting the flag burner.
I would proudly stand in front of a jury of my peers and justify my actions.
Would you proudly go to jail for assault, too?
Post tramatic stress disorder, or flashback label it however you wish, I call it carrying out an Oath to defend against all enemies, Foreign and domestic.
I took the same oath a few times. But it was to defend the country, not assault someone expressing his free speech rights.
He got off lucky. I believe our County Sherriff Steve Bizzell would agree, it would be justified. Welcome to Johnston County.
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That was probably one of the options he opt'ed out of.
That was probably one of the options he opt'ed out of.
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Good post stu. Awesome poem. But as for go to jail for assault proudly too, my reply is Damn Skippy. See the funny thing about jail is, unless you kill someone or something horrible they let you out. To some point I agree with you on freedom of speech. We do have freedom of speech ,but there is no freedom of actions. Burning our Flag is an action, not a statement. I am not out to attack anyone on here but in person if I saw someone burn our Flag, I would step in and defend it. If I had to go to jail for that, so be it. I find no shame in that at all. All that is required for evil to prevail is that good men do nothing. This is one of those subjects that will touch each person differently. Everyone is right in their own beliefs. This is what makes out Nation so great. We are allowed to discuss, without animosity our opinions. Well my parts just got here back to work.
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Well, I finally got to see the story. He's very lucky he didn't suffer a much worse fate than he did. Freedom of speech had little to do with it. He stole something from the VFW, and as such, got a little learnin' from those veterans. Could have easily been much worse...
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When My Flag, of MY Country, has reached it's end of life I replace it and it is burned.
There is a funeral home here that takes them and drapes them over the coffin of a veteran that is being cremated.
I feel that that is the best form of respect that I could possibly provide.
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There is a funeral home here that takes them and drapes them over the coffin of a veteran that is being cremated.
I feel that that is the best form of respect that I could possibly provide.
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