Bought an X, and....
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Atom, i noticed an immediate difference in steering with the added load bearing ability of the v codes. The sway bar in the rear was the other big factor in solving the problem for me. I still have 1-1 1/2" of play in the steering wheel, but it is no longer a factor since the truck isn't drifting side to side anymore. When i swapped out the tired OEM springs (200k), i laid them next to the v codes....huge difference in arc.
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Grish, where are you in Texas? The Texas chapter seems to have a great support network of willing hands and minds to help you get things done on your truck. I'm no 6.0 mech, but my brother is very good with them.
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Atom, i noticed an immediate difference in steering with the added load bearing ability of the v codes. The sway bar in the rear was the other big factor in solving the problem for me. I still have 1-1 1/2" of play in the steering wheel, but it is no longer a factor since the truck isn't drifting side to side anymore. When i swapped out the tired OEM springs (200k), i laid them next to the v codes....huge difference in arc.
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Yeah, the front end is very heavy on these things. Some of these spring swap threads have the actual ratings on the springs. It is a big difference. There's springs to be had out there for $100 or less. Keep an eye out and ck your junk yards for f250 wrecks. I found mine on CL from a guy who lifted his f250 right after buying it.
Also, before spring swap, the front end was 2.5" lower than rear. I think that was a factor. Front end is now .75" lower than rear.
Also, before spring swap, the front end was 2.5" lower than rear. I think that was a factor. Front end is now .75" lower than rear.
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I'm in Austin. Any help is appreciated.
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As you can see, I'm just down the road in bastrop. Get some more posts under your belt and you can use the private message (PM) function on this site. Also, get with plumber01 and join Texas chapter.
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3.) swap out new OEM springs for V codes. I would think that with new springs, this wouldnt be a problem. i could understand worn out springs and then replace them with v-codes. maybe my logic is wrong and it doesnt matter they are new, its the spring rate of the v-codes that make a difference?
The OEM rear springs on a 4x4 Excursion are weak and will easily allow axle wrap. That's why hard braking, hard acceleration, or driving over uneven surfaces can make you feel the wander.
That's also why the RAS helps with the wander, it reduces axle wrap.
The fronts are weak and will deflect from side loading of the spring, which can be caused by the rear axle wrap among other things. That's why lane changes can make a driver really feel the wander. The side loading from the lane change will cause the fronts to react and give that extra shimmy after you complete the lane change, wiggling the rear of the Ex.
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Absolutely!
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Yeah, that's the thing, it doesn't matter if the springs are brand new or not, OEM Excursion springs are a POS. Plus, I don't see anything about the rear suspension (springs) being addressed.
The OEM rear springs on a 4x4 Excursion are weak and will easily allow axle wrap. That's why hard braking, hard acceleration, or driving over uneven surfaces can make you feel the wander.
That's also why the RAS helps with the wander, it reduces axle wrap.
The fronts are weak and will deflect from side loading of the spring, which can be caused by the rear axle wrap among other things. That's why lane changes can make a driver really feel the wander. The side loading from the lane change will cause the fronts to react and give that extra shimmy after you complete the lane change, wiggling the rear of the Ex.
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The OEM rear springs on a 4x4 Excursion are weak and will easily allow axle wrap. That's why hard braking, hard acceleration, or driving over uneven surfaces can make you feel the wander.
That's also why the RAS helps with the wander, it reduces axle wrap.
The fronts are weak and will deflect from side loading of the spring, which can be caused by the rear axle wrap among other things. That's why lane changes can make a driver really feel the wander. The side loading from the lane change will cause the fronts to react and give that extra shimmy after you complete the lane change, wiggling the rear of the Ex.
Stewart
concerning the rear, i dont feel the wander under hard braking/acceleration. It only seems to be when driving on a highway over 50mph. Im wondering, would air bags make a difference? I was planning on putting them in anyway, would be nice if i could just do that without changing out the rears. However, Im assuming they wont do anything to help with axle wrap.
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Atom, I did not change my rear springs (yet). However, I have eliminated my steering wander to my satisfaction with the V codes and anti-sway bar in the back. Now, my X seemingly was never taken off-road judging from the underside of the truck. Also, judging from the condition of the interior of the hitch, it was never used to tow much of anything. SOOOOOO, I would surmise that my rear springs have not been wore down and tired out like the front springs were bearing the weight of the 7.3 over the last 11 years. I might have occasion drive someone else X and find I still have improvements to make to mine, but that hasn't happened yet
That said, if I find a set of affordable rear springs I will certainly grab them up.
Just my .02 on my specific situation. Yours may be different.
That said, if I find a set of affordable rear springs I will certainly grab them up. Just my .02 on my specific situation. Yours may be different.
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Atom, I did not change my rear springs (yet). However, I have eliminated my steering wander to my satisfaction with the V codes and anti-sway bar in the back. Now, my X seemingly was never taken off-road judging from the underside of the truck. Also, judging from the condition of the interior of the hitch, it was never used to tow much of anything. SOOOOOO, I would surmise that my rear springs have not been wore down and tired out like the front springs were bearing the weight of the 7.3 over the last 11 years. I might have occasion drive someone else X and find I still have improvements to make to mine, but that hasn't happened yet That said, if I find a set of affordable rear springs I will certainly grab them up.
Just my .02 on my specific situation. Yours may be different.
That said, if I find a set of affordable rear springs I will certainly grab them up. Just my .02 on my specific situation. Yours may be different.
how does the truck sit now with the vcodes up front and stock rears? ill be towing about 6000lbs, so i dont want to be nose up.
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concerning the rear, i dont feel the wander under hard braking/acceleration.
Im wondering, would air bags make a difference?
I was planning on putting them in anyway, would be nice if i could just do that without changing out the rears. However, Im assuming they wont do anything to help with axle wrap.
If you prefer to add air bags and see how it is after installing them, I'd go that route. You might be 100% happy with only airbags, and if you were already planning on adding them, bolt 'em on and go from there.
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Stewart...thanks again.
I have a hook with a local Ford dealer where I live and I am able to get the V Codes for 130/each. So I am going to order those up right away. Do these springs come with bushings or do they have to be ordered as well?
I have been searching around for part numbers on the correct u-bolts, u-bolt nuts and the bolts/nuts for the spring-eyes at the frame and shackle and Im coming up either empty handed or with different part numbers depending on the thread.
So far I have the following:
V-Codes - 2C3Z-5310-HA
U-Bolts - F81Z-5705-ZA
EDIT: U bolt nuts - N805480-S426 (I just found the nuts)
Spring-Eye bolts - ??
Spring-Eye nut - ??
Also, when I order my replacement shocks, I should be ordering the fronts spec'd for an F250 (00-04) correct??
If I eventually do B Codes i the rear, will the stock length excursion rear shocks work?
These are what shock I think I should be ordering:
Rancho RS9000XL - Front: RS999267, Rear: RS999266
I have a hook with a local Ford dealer where I live and I am able to get the V Codes for 130/each. So I am going to order those up right away. Do these springs come with bushings or do they have to be ordered as well?
I have been searching around for part numbers on the correct u-bolts, u-bolt nuts and the bolts/nuts for the spring-eyes at the frame and shackle and Im coming up either empty handed or with different part numbers depending on the thread.
So far I have the following:
V-Codes - 2C3Z-5310-HA
U-Bolts - F81Z-5705-ZA
EDIT: U bolt nuts - N805480-S426 (I just found the nuts)
Spring-Eye bolts - ??
Spring-Eye nut - ??
Also, when I order my replacement shocks, I should be ordering the fronts spec'd for an F250 (00-04) correct??
If I eventually do B Codes i the rear, will the stock length excursion rear shocks work?
These are what shock I think I should be ordering:
Rancho RS9000XL - Front: RS999267, Rear: RS999266