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Probably doesn't belong here, but
Ford, you lost a Super duty customer.
Sold my '05 V-10 F-350, and bought a new Dodge Cummins diesel.
I needed a new pick up, and Would have bought a new F-350 had I been able to get a V-10, Manual 6 spd, and manual transfere case and manual hubs, 4.30 gearing, just like my '05 SD was. But Ford, in their marketing wisdom, has dropped the options that made their Super Duty a great puller for the working man. Their New designed V-8 motor doesn't impress me, and couple that with their dropping the manual tranny, changes in the drive train, killed it for me. The Dodge at least has a proven motor with tons of after market mods avail to make it breathe better, and a manual 6 spd. with 3.70 gears. Yeah, everything else about the
Dodge, well,, I will have some adjusting to do, but Ford sure won't get my pick-up money this year and probably forever, unless they decide to build a work truck again for the plain folks. Too bad for them, but they didn't care about my business anyway demonstrated by their new SD offerings.
You V-10 guys take care. Been a pleasure being a member of your fraternity.
Mark
Sold my '05 V-10 F-350, and bought a new Dodge Cummins diesel.
I needed a new pick up, and Would have bought a new F-350 had I been able to get a V-10, Manual 6 spd, and manual transfere case and manual hubs, 4.30 gearing, just like my '05 SD was. But Ford, in their marketing wisdom, has dropped the options that made their Super Duty a great puller for the working man. Their New designed V-8 motor doesn't impress me, and couple that with their dropping the manual tranny, changes in the drive train, killed it for me. The Dodge at least has a proven motor with tons of after market mods avail to make it breathe better, and a manual 6 spd. with 3.70 gears. Yeah, everything else about the
Dodge, well,, I will have some adjusting to do, but Ford sure won't get my pick-up money this year and probably forever, unless they decide to build a work truck again for the plain folks. Too bad for them, but they didn't care about my business anyway demonstrated by their new SD offerings.
You V-10 guys take care. Been a pleasure being a member of your fraternity.
Mark
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Sorry to see someone go, but I understand. Thats why I looked long and hard for the newest, cleanest used V10 I could find. I test drove a 6.2, and even though it was nice, I wasn't overly impressed. To me, it seemed like a step down. However, I love my new to me 2009 V10 and plan to keep it as long as possible, or until they build another big gas engine.
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sorry to hear you bought a Dodge, hope it works out for ya..
in reality Fords loss of customers wanting/demanding manual trans is soooo low they basicly wrote off those sales as not worth it to make tooling up for a manual trans optins work out.
not sure i agree one way or the other, but the numbers dont lie.
in reality Fords loss of customers wanting/demanding manual trans is soooo low they basicly wrote off those sales as not worth it to make tooling up for a manual trans optins work out.
not sure i agree one way or the other, but the numbers dont lie.
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I think you will like the new truck I have not been around the 6.7 cummins but I have owend 2 5.9's and they never disapointed whether it was reliability, power, cold starts when ever I needed them they were ready to do the job. I also prefur a manual transmission. I don't think with ford it was customers not wanting them I think with a manual hooked to the new diesel they could not get it to pass emisions testing and it needs the automatic to keep the RPM's up so you can't lug it.
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Like every manufacturer, Ford makes what sells. If enough people wanted a Super Duty with a flathead 6 cylinder, a ten-speed manual trans and painted pink, and were willing to pay for it, I promise you that's what Ford would make. But most people (me included) don't want to shift a manual trans (or deal with a floor-shifter) and auto transmissions are better than they've ever been, so very, very few people want one. Same with the V10, most people plopping down $50K+ for a new truck probably don't want one that gets 12 mpg, so for a few more bucks they can get a diesel that gets 20 mpg and if it breaks, it's Ford's problem. If nobody's ordering V10's, guess what? Ford quits offering them, it's as simple as that. BTW, I just did a search on AutoTrader.com and found exactly one 2000-2004 V10/6spd SuperDuty for sale nationwide. There aren't that many out there now because there never were that many ever ordered, period.
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The manual trans probably will not be around for too long in the RAM line either. You also get a somewhat "detuned" 6.7l with the manual trans vs the auto in the RAM trucks. I own a manual and an auto truck and really like to to bang gears sometimes also however a well tuned auto can put a manual to shame. Problem is IMO the autos don't come "well tuned" from the factory.
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Very true. While I prefer an auto when towing, I like the feeling of ripping through the gears in my cars. I have a pair of Mustangs, one has a T-5 manual trans, and one is about to. An auto in a street-driven hot rod just doesn't feel right.
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The V10 is still offered in the commercial 450-550 and even 650. How long that lasts only time will tell. But these customers must have demand for that motor so it still lives on in the commercial world.
The consumer world never really grabbed the V10 by the horns because gas prices went nutty and they were under the impression that the 5.4 was going to be their mpg savior so they were bought up leaving the V10 on the lot or not on the order sheet. I mean a smaller V8 must get significantly better mileage than a V10
. The V10 was also only about $600 more if you wanted one over the 5.4. Thats cheap!
Also it seems lately if you don't own a diesel in a 3/4, 1 ton truck you are deemed a deviant of truck society. (Most probably buy for the capability but I'm sure a lot just buy for power/cool factor and there is nothing wrong with that)The manufacturer listens to all this, look to what sells, then puts forth a marketing machine in that direction. Just look at Ford's website, it's all about the 6.7 and the 6 speed transmission. And why not, it probably makes them the most money!
The consumer world never really grabbed the V10 by the horns because gas prices went nutty and they were under the impression that the 5.4 was going to be their mpg savior so they were bought up leaving the V10 on the lot or not on the order sheet. I mean a smaller V8 must get significantly better mileage than a V10
. The V10 was also only about $600 more if you wanted one over the 5.4. Thats cheap! Also it seems lately if you don't own a diesel in a 3/4, 1 ton truck you are deemed a deviant of truck society. (Most probably buy for the capability but I'm sure a lot just buy for power/cool factor and there is nothing wrong with that)The manufacturer listens to all this, look to what sells, then puts forth a marketing machine in that direction. Just look at Ford's website, it's all about the 6.7 and the 6 speed transmission. And why not, it probably makes them the most money!
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thats exactly why dealers stock nothing but deisels.. they make much bigger margins (profits) on those units.
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