GM has no dipsticks as Chrysler doesn't either, its the fact of life...its called learn to adapt.. the 6R80 is a ZF. and it does have a dipstick, but your mind is made up. so carry on.

 

Hmm....5 quarts a transmission fluid change DOES NOT MAKE. Thats only the pan fluid. My E4OD has something like 4 GALLONS all total. Gee dude, a torque converter holds around 2-3 gallons all by itself. SO NO what you did was NOT a full maintenance just the abbreviated version aka drop pan and change PAN FLUID AND AND FILTER.

TO DO A FULL VERSION YOU RUN A HYDRAULIC TUBE DOWN THE DIPSTICK LINE AND PUMP OUT A-L-L OF THE FLUID AND THEN HYDRAULICALLY PUMP IN NEW REPLACEMENT FLUID.


Do you guys even realize what this is about?

IT IS ABOUT PUTTING AN 5R80 IN SWAP FOR A 6R80.......IN A 2011 F150. IS THAT DOABLE?

THANKS.

 

4 Gallons in a E4OD? Hmm. ok. I worked in a transmission shop for over 15 years. Ive been around E4ODs...... the early ones came out in 1989. and they were junk. you will never get all the fluid out anyway. but changing the fluid and filter is maintenance. Ive done 100s of different transmissions..... but whatever....you can do what you want.

 

That will also only remove what's in the pan. Why would you think that tube could snake it's way into the torque converter?

Actually it's 17 quarts. That's four gallons and one quart.

 

I have dropped the pan , changed the filter , cleaned the magnet, and put 5 quarts back in the transmission several times... The 4R70 holds about 13 quarts so your changing 5 out of 13 or close to 40%.. That is quite an improvement. Wait a month or year and do it again.. second time you are theoretically draining out 2 quarts of your new oil, but also 3 quarts of OLD oil. This a a major improvement. Getting the crud out of the pan, changing the filter, cleaning the magnet and valve body bottom really helps. ALL of my cars and trucks for 30 years have followed this plan...... no failures to date.

 

Absolutely I agree. Ive done all my vehicles this way and since Ive been doing this.....never had transmission problems. Older Ford transmissions have drain plugs in the torque converters. and I drain them if they have the plug.

 

YEP... my 2001 F150 had a converter drain...... but the 2002 F150 does not, Explorer does not, Navigator does not, Edge does not........ do them all the same !

 

E4OD JUNK? DONT THINK SO. Mine is freakin 20 years old....I have NEVER HAD IT OUT OF OVERDRIVE MODE and just this summer was lugging 2 ton loads of concrete rubble 25 miles on the thing without issue.

This transmission is ORIGINAL FACTORY INSTALL & BUILD. Every 3 years I pay $129 to have ALL the fluid hydraulically removed as well as having the pan dropped and the filter changed and the bands adjusted.

Ford made some solid trucks from 92-96. They had alot of minor issues but I have been able to re-engineer alot of those out like the mid run cut in the battery cable wire to starter that always rotted out.

MEANTIME.......since nobody was willing to simply tell me whether or not a 6r80 could be backwards swapped for a 5 speed....

ken in houston traded his f150 for a chevy over the weekend. NOW HE HAS A TRUCK THAT DONT HAVE FREAKIN SCREWED UP TRANS ISSUES.

Whats the sad part is I am a lifelong ford guy and in his position I WOULD MAKE THE SAME DECISION.

THREAD CLOSED.

-k

 

Well, you were told a long time ago that trying to put the 6 speed in an old truck was a BAD idea. read below.......


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Is the computer capable of being tuned to accept the trans?
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>No, it is not. It takes a lot more than tuning. There are not enough inputs or outputs in the PCM to be able to control the trans. Plus the chip doesn't have enough memory to be able to run the stock program that will control the six speed. All the hardware in the PCM would need to be changed.


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The biggest issue I see possibly arising is whether or not the electronics from the newer transmission will talk the same language as the electronics from the older truck.
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No, they do not.

As for a stand alone TCM, where are you going to get one? I think you will need to design and build your own. I know that companies like Baumann and PCS make stand alones, but I don't think they make one capable of controlling this transmission. Controlling a 4R70W or E4OD/4R100 is a piece of cake. The newer transmissions are MUCH more complicated and harder to control.

 

if your buddy sold a good F150 and bought a cheby... he deserves it ! good luck.

 

You paid to have the bands adjusted? There is only one band in an E4OD and it does not have any adjustments.

It would be a major change to put a six speed in there. The average, or even above average person could not do it.

 

How could we tell you since your mind was made up. Go buy a chevy. and when it has problems, you will go buy a dodge Ram then lol...

 

0k so what would be involved in putting a 6r80 behind a 351? as it is 2016 and some things have changed ...

And with PA Transmissions saying they will have a tcm for the 6r80 (most likely under their platinum line )

i was wondering if anything had changed as of yet or is gv unit still the only way to gain use of a dbl od in older rides ..

or i have givin thought to 6.2 swap as well... (still a possibility)

 

If there is a TCM that can control a 6R80, then all you really need is an adapter to be able to bolt the trans to the 351. It will be just time & money to get this done. But I think that's a big if at the beginning of my first sentence...

 

I think im going to give them a holler and see, they had it at the Sema 2015 the tcm only uses the tps signal from the engine.


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SEMA 2015 New Ford Transmission Harness and Premium Auto Transmissions from PA