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GVW
I have an 87 F-150 4X4 with a GVW of 6001-7000 and am looking at buying an 83 F-250 4X4 with the exact same GVW to install a hay spike and pull a horse trailer.
With the same GVW is there really any difference in hauling and pulling ?
With the same GVW is there really any difference in hauling and pulling ?
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Ford has always played fast and lose with interchangeability between the heavy half ton and the light 3/4T. I would expect the 3/4T rear end to be full floating and that alone is a benefit. Also chassis and springs could be made from stronger stock. About the best bet is to run the partnumbers for suspected parts past the FORD parts department to determine if they are the same.
A hay spike on the tail end of a pickup is a serious load for that far back. Bails around here are 1750 - 1850 lb. That's alot to essentially place behind the rear bumper. We sold some 1750 bales to a guy who used a spike mounted on a dodge dualie 300 cummins. Do not know what is GVW was but the rig was severely overload, with the headlights pointed at the sky.
A hay spike on the tail end of a pickup is a serious load for that far back. Bails around here are 1750 - 1850 lb. That's alot to essentially place behind the rear bumper. We sold some 1750 bales to a guy who used a spike mounted on a dodge dualie 300 cummins. Do not know what is GVW was but the rig was severely overload, with the headlights pointed at the sky.
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the f250LD (which is what he found based on the gvw) will have the semi float rear axle.
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The 83 has floating rear end and had no ****/axle sticking out from the wheel.
Guess I will look for something that has higher GVW rating or just beef up my F-150 !
FYI, most of our round bales here are about 1000 pounds on average !
Guess I will look for something that has higher GVW rating or just beef up my F-150 !
FYI, most of our round bales here are about 1000 pounds on average !
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That would be a semi floating axle.. Same shape as a 150, just larger and more wheel studs...
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f250HD/f350 rear spring packs are a direct bolt in swap blloyd.
i did that to my last truck (96 f150) and it kept her from pointing to the sky when i loaded it.......until the axle said uncle a couple yrs latter.
i did that to my last truck (96 f150) and it kept her from pointing to the sky when i loaded it.......until the axle said uncle a couple yrs latter.
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Your baler must make small rolls, are you sure on that weight? Our balers even the smaller machine made rolls heaver then 1000lbs. Small machine made rolls 5x5', 1200 to 1500lbs. The large machine made rolls 5.5' x 5.5' and they averaged same as oleman's, if the hay was bone dry at time it was feed into it.
That is a lot of weight to hang off the rear bumper, back from it a ways to boot. Dang near gonna need solid block rear axle of a 1/2 ton to do it, then lot of stress on the axle of one.
Just hauling em in out of the field to the barn yard for storage or gotta travel the roads with em?
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If you gotta do it that way, one bale at a time using a spike.
Why not build the spike on a mechanism as so it picks up the bale rotating it straight up and over and setting it down in the bed of the truck, then rotates it back out returning it to the ground behind the truck where it started?
Depend on how far gotta travel and how many times I guess.
Why not build the spike on a mechanism as so it picks up the bale rotating it straight up and over and setting it down in the bed of the truck, then rotates it back out returning it to the ground behind the truck where it started?
Depend on how far gotta travel and how many times I guess.
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Mostly hauling them from storage to the field for me, as I have them delivered to my place.
We got some hay in from Iowa recently and they were about 1,700 pounds, but for some reason Oklahoma bales are smaller and lots of people use F-150s to move them.
We got some hay in from Iowa recently and they were about 1,700 pounds, but for some reason Oklahoma bales are smaller and lots of people use F-150s to move them.
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danr1, I recently saw a flatbed truck that had 2 hydraulic are mounted on the truck and would swing down to the center of the bales on both sides and lift it to the bed.
Never seen one like that before !
Never seen one like that before !
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Forgot to mention that the 83 F-250 had something the owner called "airbags" on the rear suspension, not air shocks, but similar in that you air them up as needed.
Would these increase the weight and load that could be pulled by this truck ??
Would these increase the weight and load that could be pulled by this truck ??
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The airbags will help level it out & increase the load the rear suspension can handle, but other things can come into play. Placing 1000# behind the rear axle effectively adds significantly more than 1000# to the axle due to weight transfer from the front.
What's the axle weight rating? GVWR's take into account other things like brakes, stability at speed, etc. If you're not going far or fast, you're probably OK, but I wouldn't want to go miles at speed with it...
What's the axle weight rating? GVWR's take into account other things like brakes, stability at speed, etc. If you're not going far or fast, you're probably OK, but I wouldn't want to go miles at speed with it...
