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Old Nov 7, 2011 | 04:28 PM
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Sorry, but the 360 and 390 are simply NOT vastly different in weight.

The blocks, heads, manifolds, accessories, carbs are the same. The pistons weigh the same. 360 rods are .056" longer than 390 rods at the extremes, so while they are reported to be lighter duty, I doubt they weigh more than a few grams less. The crank--the throw is .142" different, not "173"--where did you get that?

So a few pounds maybe, but not hundreds or even 10s of lbs different.
 
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Old Nov 7, 2011 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 85e150six4mtod
Sorry, but the 360 and 390 are simply NOT vastly different in weight.

The blocks, heads, manifolds, accessories, carbs are the same. The pistons weigh the same. 360 rods are .056" longer than 390 rods at the extremes, so while they are reported to be lighter duty, I doubt they weigh more than a few grams less. The crank--the throw is .142" different, not "173"--where did you get that?

So a few pounds maybe, but not hundreds or even 10s of lbs different.
I ment to say .143. Anyways. I am percecly aware of what goes on and in the engine. Just for argument sake. U take a 360 and a 390 completly apart. And swap parts between the 2. Compare the diffrences and then put your 390 back togethef using the parts out of the 360. Examine the oil ports, the balamce weights, the journals, the drillings the journal weights ( rotating wings ) if its from an auto matic or standard tranny ( matters) crank end balance drillings and or weights. Then weight them, thdn weight the rest. Then try to put the 390 together useing the 360 parts... make it run. Then do it all over with a new pair of engines. Then inless y works for ford in engine engineerig. Prove me wrong.... sorry but i fail to understand the argument. The internals do not weight the same!. And the diffrence is more than grms.....
 
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Old Nov 7, 2011 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by bdivine32
Also, i didnt mean to get into such specifics, the point is, the 360/390's are both great engines. Would take a 390 anyday of the week. But the 360 held ots pwn as a lighter duty ranch/ street engine and was a ligtle more street friendly than the 390 ( and i have a dozen zets of tires to prove it ). Why they quit with the 352's? Have to write ford on that one.... Lets just all be happy we are FORD GUYZ AND GALS!!
I have to agree with the others, the 360 is a 390 block & a 352 rotating assembly. There could be once differences between a 390 crank and a 352. A modest difference in the rods. Heads, intake, exhaust basically the same. There is just nothing there to make a big difference in weight.

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Old Nov 7, 2011 | 11:22 PM
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A 351M or 351W is a lot lighter than a 390, but a 360 (or 352 for that matter) is not any more than *maybe* 5 LBS lighter than a 390. Heck, the pistons in a 360 are simply 390 pistons from the old days.
 
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Old Nov 8, 2011 | 02:10 AM
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Whatever they were trying to accomplish, saving weight wasnt it, I agree that a 360/390 weigh within a few lbs of each other.
 
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Old Nov 9, 2011 | 03:40 PM
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The 390 came before the 428 and outlasted it as well. Thats kind of my point, they already had the 390 when the 360 came along, whyd they bother. Besides, the 390 was a workhorse motor where the 428 was much more a performance motor. Also, the 360 was never put in anything besides a truck, a 428 was never put in trucks dunno why they didnt just use the 390
Yeah, I was just pointing out that the "they already have a bigger motor, why would they make another size" argument it silly.

They had in the same period of time, anywhere from a 221-460. Some motors were better than others at higher RPMs, some at low, some had better emissions, some better torque. Read up on the terms "Square" "Oversquare" and "Undersquare"

Bigger is not always better, hence so many big (F600+) trucks coming with 370/429s, which can't cost any less to manufacture than a 460 that would use the same block. A 370 would probably make a terrible engine for a Mustang, but it's a good Class 6 truck motor
 
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Old Nov 9, 2011 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Handegard
Yeah, I was just pointing out that the "they already have a bigger motor, why would they make another size" argument it silly.

They had in the same period of time, anywhere from a 221-460. Some motors were better than others at higher RPMs, some at low, some had better emissions, some better torque. Read up on the terms "Square" "Oversquare" and "Undersquare"

Bigger is not always better, hence so many big (F600+) trucks coming with 370/429s, which can't cost any less to manufacture than a 460 that would use the same block. A 370 would probably make a terrible engine for a Mustang, but it's a good Class 6 truck motor
Understood and I agree with you. It will never make much sense to me though, there isnt enough difference in a 360/390 to warrant the 360s existence though. Its not like the 390 which they already had, didnt do anything and everything a 360 could do but better. There was no increase in mpg, usually the reverse if anything, performance was roughly the same. Both by that time were, as already stated, low rpm, low compression truck engines. I think the other posters hit the nail on the head, an "entry" level mid size V8 and I guess it allowed Ford to charge more for an "upgrade" to a 390.
 
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