Notices
1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks 1987 - 1996 Ford F-150, F-250, F-350 and larger pickups - including the 1997 heavy-duty F250/F350+ trucks

no spark

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Nov 4, 2011 | 09:16 PM
  #1  
1stonracday's Avatar
1stonracday
Thread Starter
|
New User
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 21
Likes: 0
no spark

two weeks ago was driving up the grade (slauterhouse canyon on hwy 67 ) and my 93 f 150 4x4 5.8 v8 was doing excellent fully loaded as i blew by this chevy , i just put a new tranmission in my truck sort of a test run anyway , and all at once it started slowing down and it was still running but had no power whatso ever . i managed to get it to the top of the hill turned around went back home it seemed as if the timing retarded itself,
i limped into a 711 parking lot and opened the hood advanced the distributer 4 or 5 degrees , hit the key it started and ran ok almost normal, continued home . the next day i set the timing to factory specs and ran fine but stalled at stop lights when i would restart it it wouldnt idle then it would clear up . on my way home from work it just quit .so i have relaced the modual, the coil , and found the distributer was worn out the top bearing was shot alowing contact of internal components the pip and plate under the rotor. still not getting any spark after replacing all three where do i go next , its been down for a week now and i need it for work any help would be greatly appreiciated
 
Reply
Old Nov 4, 2011 | 11:08 PM
  #2  
1stonracday's Avatar
1stonracday
Thread Starter
|
New User
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 21
Likes: 0
someone told me the crank sensor could cause this ??? where is this located?
 
Reply
Old Nov 4, 2011 | 11:18 PM
  #3  
rla2005's Avatar
rla2005
Fleet Owner
20 Year Member
Community Builder
Liked
Community Favorite
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 20,786
Likes: 1,751
From: Kentucky
There is no crank sensor on your vintage truck. The "implied" crankshaft position is loosely interpreted by the PIP sensor in the distributor. Verify you have +12VDC on the positive side of the coil with the key in Start/Run position.

Was the "new" distributor rebuilt or brand new?
 
Reply
Old Nov 5, 2011 | 12:06 AM
  #4  
GoinBoarding's Avatar
GoinBoarding
Cargo Master
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 3,326
Likes: 292
From: Laramie, WY
Man, dying under a high load situation like that would scare me. What RPM are you running up that grade?

Do you know for sure that it is a no spark condition? quick test of the coil back is to put a plug in the coil wire, ground it, crank, and watch for spark in that plug. If thats good, try a few of the actual plug wires. If you have spark at each plug, I would check compression. And if you have fuel pressure gauge, check that too (at the rail).
 
Reply
Old Nov 5, 2011 | 02:26 AM
  #5  
1stonracday's Avatar
1stonracday
Thread Starter
|
New User
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 21
Likes: 0
the distributor was a rebuilt , when it died coming home from work , it just quit has no spark
 
Reply
Old Nov 5, 2011 | 11:16 AM
  #6  
rla2005's Avatar
rla2005
Fleet Owner
20 Year Member
Community Builder
Liked
Community Favorite
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 20,786
Likes: 1,751
From: Kentucky
Many of those "rebuilt" distributors have bad PIPs in them. Most remanufacturer's do not heat test them. It's very possible to have a bad distributor, with the same issue as your original, right out of the box.

The Stator aka PIP is the device that tells the PCM to trigger the Ignition Control Module (ICM) also referred to as the TFI module. The TFI can also break down under heat load. It can be removed and tested.

I reference this write-up from my buddy Joel5.0 quite often: SBFTech.com TFI Module/Hall Sensor Testing Procedure
 
Reply
Old Nov 5, 2011 | 03:56 PM
  #7  
1stonracday's Avatar
1stonracday
Thread Starter
|
New User
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 21
Likes: 0
my modual is located on the fenderwell and i am gonna pull the distributer and take it back have it tested .... thanks so much for that info i am getting power to the coil
 
Reply
Old Nov 6, 2011 | 02:47 AM
  #8  
joekacker's Avatar
joekacker
Junior User
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 73
Likes: 0
From: Everett Washing
Dude Im battling the same issue right now, My truc was running awesome and boom just died out of no where, And today I checked and was getting no spark from the coil, I tried that before the icm. and still no spark brand new coil. So I pulled the distributor today and had a hell of a time finding a 5.5 or 7/32 that fits in that hole. I need my truck from work too. I hope it fixes mine, And this pip is inside the distributor?
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

 Brett Foote
story-2

Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-3

Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

 Brett Foote
story-6

2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-7

10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

Top 10 Ford Trucks Coming to Mecum Indy 2026

 Brett Foote
story-9

5 Best / 5 Worst Ford Truck Wheels of All Time

 Joe Kucinski
Old Nov 6, 2011 | 09:26 AM
  #9  
rla2005's Avatar
rla2005
Fleet Owner
20 Year Member
Community Builder
Liked
Community Favorite
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 20,786
Likes: 1,751
From: Kentucky
Originally Posted by joekacker
Dude Im battling the same issue right now, My truc was running awesome and boom just died out of no where, And today I checked and was getting no spark from the coil, I tried that before the icm. and still no spark brand new coil. So I pulled the distributor today and had a hell of a time finding a 5.5 or 7/32 that fits in that hole. I need my truck from work too. I hope it fixes mine, And this pip is inside the distributor?
Yes it is: Ford Fuel Injection » Stator (RPM)
 
Reply
Old Nov 6, 2011 | 03:36 PM
  #10  
1stonracday's Avatar
1stonracday
Thread Starter
|
New User
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 21
Likes: 0
Well to my dismay the is Powertrain control mod .... it needs a new computer..
 
Reply
Old Nov 6, 2011 | 10:30 PM
  #11  
rla2005's Avatar
rla2005
Fleet Owner
20 Year Member
Community Builder
Liked
Community Favorite
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 20,786
Likes: 1,751
From: Kentucky
Originally Posted by 1stonracday
Well to my dismay the is Powertrain control mod .... it needs a new computer..

How did you come to that conclusion?
 
Reply
Old Nov 7, 2011 | 08:10 PM
  #12  
joekacker's Avatar
joekacker
Junior User
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 73
Likes: 0
From: Everett Washing
If my pip is bad in my distributor , and/or my Igntion control module, the coil will still get spark right?
 
Reply
Old Nov 7, 2011 | 08:12 PM
  #13  
joekacker's Avatar
joekacker
Junior User
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 73
Likes: 0
From: Everett Washing
im trying to chase down my no spark issue without havinbg to go 22 miles to the part store everytime I find out its not what the problem is hahaha. Thanks
 
Reply
Old Nov 7, 2011 | 09:04 PM
  #14  
rocco1111's Avatar
rocco1111
New User
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
If the PIP or/and ICM is bad your coil WILL NOT, spark. The PIP is the trigger to the neg. side of coil. I am having this same problem exactly, 1994 4.9L, i have replaced everything in the ignition system, other than PCM. Still no fire. Replaced PIP,rotor, dizzy cap, plugs, wires, coil, icm, ignition switch under dash, ignition key switch, checked all wiring, relays, fuses, codes, EVERYTHING. still no fire. Have been reading and reading on here seen this same story a number of times, but no end to stories, the fix.
 
Reply
Old Nov 7, 2011 | 10:35 PM
  #15  
1stonracday's Avatar
1stonracday
Thread Starter
|
New User
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 21
Likes: 0
1st i connected a test light between the tach terminal and a good engine ground and cranked it over. the light came on and stayed on with out flashing . so what that meant was the primary had a problem... ie a stuck transistor in the icm or a problem in the harness. so i checked it all down to doing this test near the distributer on pin one measuring the pip output voltage which is ac voltage btw when cranking you should get 3.0 to 8.0 volts ac . i got zero then i unplugged the pcm and it was perfect . so the pcm is shorting the pip out .. i pulled the pcm out and took the top off and low and behold there is a capacitor that was blown up on the board.... and ford i found out doesnt make the pcm anymore...
 
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:33 PM.

story-0
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

Slideshow: Top 10 Ford truck tragedies.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-18 19:34:33


VIEW MORE
story-1
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

And it might be even better than that.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-18 19:26:42


VIEW MORE
story-2
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

Slideshow: Does lowering an F-150 Lobo RUIN the ride quality?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-18 19:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-3
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE
story-5
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

Slideshow: first look at the 810 hp 2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road!

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-12 12:50:07


VIEW MORE
story-6
2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

Slideshow: Everything You Need to Know about the 2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-07 17:51:06


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

Slideshow: 10 most surprising Ford truck options/features in 2026.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:17:22


VIEW MORE
story-8
Top 10 Ford Trucks Coming to Mecum Indy 2026

Slideshow: Here are the top 10 Fords coming to Mecum Indy 2026.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-04 13:49:49


VIEW MORE
story-9
5 Best / 5 Worst Ford Truck Wheels of All Time

Slideshow: The 5 best and 5 worst Ford truck wheels of all time

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-29 16:49:01


VIEW MORE