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Old Oct 19, 2011 | 11:42 AM
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I just checked with Geico and asked them if I would be covered for a catastropic failure such as a bad fuel issue that the manufacturer refuses to cover. The answer was yes with a 250.00 ded. under my current policy. It may be a good idea to check your coverage to see if they will cover a major repair should the motor company reject your claim.
 
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Old Oct 19, 2011 | 11:44 AM
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After all of these threads I was curious as well with State Farm, will have to check.
 
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Old Oct 19, 2011 | 12:22 PM
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I have Gieco as well. they will cover the issue.
 
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Old Oct 19, 2011 | 12:48 PM
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I have Gieco as well. they will cover the issue.
Why don't we just cut FoMoCo a check Carte Blanche? They are banking on this, until the insurance Co's point the finger at the real cause... the HPFP design, or fuel. I'm betting on the Bosch HPFP CP4 design being flawed, and a replacement alternative being offered at FoMoCo's expense, within 2 years or less, from today.

Everyone in this mess, once the numbers get big enough, are going to be in deny, deny, deny mode at a cool $10 to 14k a pop. That's on a 50k truck. Imagine that number being 7 to 10 k on a $24 to 27k sedan in 2009 with 4 years of depreciation on it, out of warranty... the numbers turn the car to junk, replacement cost will exceed the 70% residual value ratio to fix it.

It won't be long before Ford folks consider making Ford buy these back under lemon laws. I know that's what I'd do.
 
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Old Oct 19, 2011 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by NinerBikes
Why don't we just cut FoMoCo a check Carte Blanche? They are banking on this, until the insurance Co's point the finger at the real cause... the HPFP design, or fuel. I'm betting on the Bosch HPFP CP4 design being flawed, and a replacement alternative being offered at FoMoCo's expense, within 2 years or less, from today.

Everyone in this mess, once the numbers get big enough, are going to be in deny, deny, deny mode at a cool $10 to 14k a pop. That's on a 50k truck. Imagine that number being 7 to 10 k on a $24 to 27k sedan in 2009 with 4 years of depreciation on it, out of warranty... the numbers turn the car to junk, replacement cost will exceed the 70% residual value ratio to fix it.

It won't be long before Ford folks consider making Ford buy these back under lemon laws. I know that's what I'd do.
Ok. Let me get this right. There have been 2 failures out of 400000+ Ford diesel trucks and you are predicting most to fail?
 
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Old Oct 19, 2011 | 01:41 PM
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Ok. Let me get this right. There have been 2 failures out of 400000+ Ford diesel trucks and you are predicting most to fail?
How do you know how many Ford pumps have actually failed. Are you quoting from what you have read from members here who have had failures and appliying it to the entire series of 6.7s. It is a known fact that VW uses the same pump on their diesels and have had numerous failures.
 
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Old Oct 19, 2011 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Nipperdog
How do you know how many Ford pumps have actually failed. Are you quoting from what you have read from members here who have had failures and appliying it to the entire series of 6.7s. It is a known fact that VW uses the same pump on their diesels and have had numerous failures.
Yep that is right. Are you aware of more pumps failing in the Ford diesel?
 
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Old Oct 19, 2011 | 02:07 PM
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Yep that is right. Are you aware of more pumps failing in the Ford diesel?
The only people who have the actual figures of failures is Ford. If poor quality fuel caused the destruction of two pumps among the small number of owners who post here, then it's logical to assume that there are many more incidents which we are not aware of.
 
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Old Oct 19, 2011 | 02:13 PM
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n/m - would be more appropriate on different thread. I have Geico, and the extended warranty they offer on the truck. I would hope that has me covered!
 
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Old Oct 19, 2011 | 02:31 PM
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You guys have me nervous now so I checked with my insurance company (Amica). I am covered minus deductible.
 
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Old Oct 19, 2011 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by cirrus365
Ok. Let me get this right. There have been 2 failures out of 400000+ Ford diesel trucks and you are predicting most to fail?
I know the history and the story on my truck and it's failure. As an owner, you will never know whether you are slowly killing your HPFP as you happily drive the highways. How do I know this...I have lived through the failure. There will be no warning that your truck is about to shutdown completely. No missing or stuttering, just quits. No throttle, no power steering and no power brakes. I was very lucky that I was unloaded and driving in light traffic. Traveling with the fifth wheel in traffic would have been a dangerous situation.

I must ask, do you think this repair will show up on the warranty reports? This is a statistic that is so important to owners of these trucks but Ford, through warranty denials, is trying to skirt the issue. If it had not happened to a very active member of a great Ford forum, most of the membership here would still be blissfully ignorant of the potential problem. Cover up and deny...that seems to be the modus operandi

Ford told me this morning they were well aware of the insurance coverage on my truck. They told me all about it...and their expectation of possible subrogation to make me whole. Eventually this will be exposed. More of the iceberg comes into view each day. If the NHSTA needs a failed Bosch HPFP from a Ford 6.7 to use in their actions, I have one they can use.

My NHSTA report will be filed today.

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Old Oct 19, 2011 | 03:25 PM
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I know the history and the story on my truck and it's failure. As an owner, you will never know whether you are slowly killing your HPFP as you happily drive the highways. How do I know this...I have lived through the failure. There will be no warning that your truck is about to shutdown completely. No missing or stuttering, just quits. No throttle, no power steering and no power brakes. I was very lucky that I was unloaded and driving in light traffic. Traveling with the fifth wheel in traffic would have been a dangerous situation.

I must ask, do you think this repair will show up on the warranty reports? This is a statistic that is so important to owners of these trucks but Ford, through warranty denials, is trying to skirt the issue. If it had not happened to a very active member of a great Ford forum, most of the membership here would still be blissfully ignorant of the potential problem. Cover up and deny...that seems to be the modus operandi

Ford told me this morning they were well aware of the insurance coverage on my truck. They told me all about it...and their expectation of possible subrogation to make me whole. Eventually this will be exposed. More of the iceberg comes into view each day. If the NHSTA needs a failed Bosch HPFP from a Ford 6.7 to use in their actions, I have one they can use.

My NHSTA report will be filed today.

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Thanks Rickatic, I was going to ask to see if you did file a NHSTA report. Without a report, the NHSTA would not know of anything going on with everyday users of these HPFP and there has to be more than two issues if the NHSTA is beginning to compile reports per another thread on this site.
 
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Old Oct 19, 2011 | 04:06 PM
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I must ask, do you think this repair will show up on the warranty reports?
I understand that not all will show up under warranty reports especially if comp. insurance is footing the bill. I am just looking for the answer to the $64k question like others. Real numbers.

oh and back on topic...My state farm agent said contaminated fuel and damage covered under comp.
 
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Old Oct 19, 2011 | 04:20 PM
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One thing no one mentioned is if your insurance covers a $10,000 repair on this HPOP replacement, does it show up on a vehicle history report such as Carfax?
 
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Old Oct 19, 2011 | 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 2horses
n/m - would be more appropriate on different thread. I have Geico, and the extended warranty they offer on the truck. I would hope that has me covered!
Could not agree more, good call. there are two other threads going to cover the specifics of the issue. I would like to stay on insurance companies that cover this and any issues where they would not.

Good info for everyone.
 
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