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Old Oct 3, 2011 | 06:56 PM
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LED tail lights

hey, just wondering if anyone has LED tail lights. i was considering either these:

97-03 F-150 FLARESIDE PICKUP LED RED SMOKE TAIL LIGHTS | eBay

or changing the bulbs in my stock tail lights. right now they're tinted dark, and i want to take off the tint and restore them. i've been to superbrightleds.com several times, too. i like the stuff they have there, but i want to get some other opinions first before i do anything. thanks guys.
 
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Old Oct 4, 2011 | 10:00 AM
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You can, but the best way to run LEDs without any issues is to add a 5W resistor in parallel to the bulb. This allows the circuit to draw the correct amount of power so you don't need a special flasher, and don't run the risk of any other problems on the brake circuit. I think those tail lights look pretty nice, but if you are gonna do that, look at all your options and get the ones you like, there should be several styles to choose from.
 
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Old Oct 4, 2011 | 01:31 PM
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Would you tell him what resistance value the resistor should be.
..I has to be the same value a 'lamp' would be, in it's lighted condition, to satisfy the flasher rate.
..Cold resistance on any tungsten lamp is lower than in it's lighted condition so one can be fooled by using the cold resistance value in a sensitive circuit requirement.
..The required resistance is = to voltage divided by the hot current.
..The power the resistor has to dissapate is = to voltage dropped accross the resistor times the hot current through it.
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Example: for 14.5 volts the running average times say 1.5 amps = 21.75 watts of power.
..The LED or LED Array by it'self draws very low compaired to the regular lamp.
..The rule is if the LED is 1/10 the current draw of the original lamp, (it's) presence can be ignored 'electrically' except for the flasher requirement of current flow.
..I only bring this up because a resistor power rateing by it'self means little without a resistance value attached.
..Based on 1.5 amp draw accross 14.5 volts, the resistance would be = to voltage divided by the current. In this example the R= 14.5/1.5= 9.6 Ohms or rounded to 10 ohms or +/- 10% tolerence, with a power rating of 20 watts min. as seen above.
...Thanks for letting me bring this up. It may mean something to some one trying to make LEDs work in place of Tungsten bulbs because of the huge difference in circuit resistance the flasher has to deal with, to work properly.
 
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Old Oct 4, 2011 | 07:32 PM
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thanks for all the info guys. khan, im planning on converting ALL bulbs to LED soon, and was planning on spending a little more on the LED flasher to prevent any problems in any of the circuits. the way i see it, fewer butt connectors=fewer problems in the future. and if i ever decide to switch back to conventional bulbs, i simply have to change the bulbs (and maybe the flasher.) i think i've done my homework on this project, now all thats left is to make a decision.
 
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Old Oct 5, 2011 | 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by muddyford911
thanks for all the info guys. khan, im planning on converting ALL bulbs to LED soon, and was planning on spending a little more on the LED flasher to prevent any problems in any of the circuits. the way i see it, fewer butt connectors=fewer problems in the future. and if i ever decide to switch back to conventional bulbs, i simply have to change the bulbs (and maybe the flasher.) i think i've done my homework on this project, now all thats left is to make a decision.
The resistors made for the purpose are the ones you need. They are about the same resistance as an incandenscent bulb. The exact resistance does not need to be met, the system doesn't measure resistance, it measures current draw.

I would reconsider your approach here. Here is why, the flashers are not the only circuit you need to worry about? What about the brakes? Your brake circuit needs to see a certain amount of current draw in order to work correctly. If you run an different flasher, that will work fine, though I doubt it would be cheaper than the resistors.

The fewer but connectors the better, that is true. Thats why I don't use butt connectors, use solder joints and heat shrink tube instead. If you decide to switch back, having the resistors will not likely hurt anything, the circuit can handle the load of trailer lights without straining the circuits, so the resistors are not going to overload or hurt anything. I would run the resistors and call it good.

If you decide to go with flashers, you should still use resistors on the brake circuit. I had a very bad and very expensive experience because I didn't. Some systems that you don't think would be affected can be affected. In my case, I overheated and toasted a trans as a direct result of LED tail lights. Had I used cheap resistors on the brake circuit, the whole problem could have been avoided. Just saying, they are cheap insurance.
 
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Old Oct 7, 2011 | 07:06 PM
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i've decided to go with LED bulbs instead of the entire tail light assembly. the reason is, with stock tails i can replace the bulb if i ever have one go out, instead of replacing the entire assembly.

kahn: ill take your advice about the resistors. im all about doing things right the first time. but i have a question. if i choose to use the LED flasher with a resistors on the brake circuit will the reverse, and tail/turn circuits be ok?

also, may i ask how you burned up your trans? it must have been the torque converter...
 
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Old Oct 8, 2011 | 10:54 PM
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I will copy paste a response to this I had in another topic, which explains at length what happens, and why I feel it is important to use the resistor.

The circuit seems simple just looking at the schematics, looks like nothing could go wrong. The problem is in what is not seen in the schematics, an issue that would rarely be encountered outside LED bulbs.

I had a 1994 Ford Aerostar 4.0L AWD. It had an overbuilt A4LD transmission that was upgraded to handle the heavy towing I do. I wanted my vehicle to be unique, so I had clear tail lights with LED bulbs. I ran a heavy duty flasher on the turn signals to address the rapid flashing, and nothing special on the brake circuit.

I had this setup maybe a year without any issues. Then one day while I was out of town coming back from a 350 mile trip (one way), the trans began to feel a little off, but it was difficult to place my finger on as I was traveling and highway speeds. When I got to surface streets back home, it was apparent the the shifts were delayed, and that the trans was sometimes starting out in second gear.

So off the the trans shop. Diagnosis, the transmission had been badly overheated, the seals were toast, the torque converter was toast, some of the bands had begun slipping because the valve body had been cooked enough that the pressure was being lost through basically melted rubber seals.

So $2800 later, trans gets rebuilt back to the same specs it previously had. They take it on a road test, TCC lockup isn't happening. Determined that overheat was due to the TCC lockup not working. So they test the solenoid and its circuits, they are fine, but are not being commanded on by the computer. Closer investigation reveals the computer is seeing the brakes as constantly on. So the brake switch is tested. Switch is working correctly. Test reveals that they is a constant 2v signal on the brake circuit when the brakes are not on (this is on the non-powered side of the switch). Turns out the brake signal is a biased circuit. The biased voltage is a low amperage voltage that is applied inside the computer. It may have been part of a brake bulb failure that was never implemented, or it could be normal diode leakage, anyway, many Ford models have the same design.

When an incandescent bulb is used, this biased voltage is not detected, the incandescent bulbs draw enough power to discharge this voltage, causing a 0v reading on the brake circuit. Disconnect all the brake bulbs, the 2v signal returns. The computer sees this low voltage signal as the brakes being applied. The LEDs draw low enough power that they do not discharge this circuit. My van worked flawlessly for almost a year because my third brake light was incandescent. But on that trip, the third brake light burned out.

The trans shop disconnecting the LEDs, and make it go away by using regular bulbs. By looking at the schematics, you would never know this is the case. So if I seemed harsh on that issue as well, its because I had a very costly experience. Who is to say if all other Fords are affected the same way? I doubt all are. But resistors are cheap, and can be bought from the same companies that sell the LED bulbs in many cases. Transmission controllers, traction control, AWD modules, ABS, all make decisions based upon the state of the brakes. Any of those systems could malfunction, possibly in unexpected and expensive ways. Hindsight is 20/20. Cheap resistor or $2800 transmission rebuild.

As far as what resistor to use, you don't use just any Radio Shack resistor. Many sites that sell LED automotive lighting actually sell special made resistors that approximate the load of a 5w incandescent bulb. I don't know off the top of my head what resistance. I'll just attach a link. 2 IN-LINE LOAD RESISTORS WITH MOUNTING PLATES 9005
 
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Old Oct 9, 2011 | 10:07 PM
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thanks for the info and advice kahn. ill post pics when im done. though it may be a few months. right now im in pennsylvania working and wont be home (florida) till after thanksgiving.
 
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