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Old Sep 25, 2011 | 06:26 PM
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Hey Jon, if your not having issues you can skip the simple green flush also. That's mostly for blown oil coolers ( oil in the coolant).
 
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Old Sep 25, 2011 | 06:37 PM
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Ya I'll probably just order the restore/restore + from cummings or a local shop that will have it. I'm still figuring which coolent to get, everyone has there ideas on different types and all.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2011 | 06:49 PM
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This is what they sell at my local International service center. It is what I used.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2011 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by JonArmy
Has anyone tried Valvoline Zerex G-05, would it be approved to be used in the 6.0L, of course if it is approved, would you of course have to do the full flush/restore flush and restore+ or vc-9 before adding new coolent?
i believe i've read it somewhere on ford or the motorcraft website tat the zerex g-05 is approved for use in our 6.0 but i'd still check the bottle to see if it is first before putting it all in. lol.
 
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Old Sep 25, 2011 | 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by U.P. Builder
International does not use this type of coolant in the 6.0 in their medium duty trucks. They use Cat EC-1 rated ELC coolant and have a lower rate of oil cooler/egr cooler failures. Good enough for me.

Btw, International designed the 6.0 not Ford.
of course. not saying anything else. i agree wif u. just that motorcraft has the ford gold coolant and it was designed for use on the 6.0 as it helps wif the internal temperature as well as keeping the corrosion thingey from happening sooner.

from personal experience, i've had a clueless mechanic who claimed to know ford diesels actually put the green coolant in my cooling system. messed me up. hence, i was referring more so to the color of the coolant. jus a general reference. of cos, i agree wif u tat it has to be cat ec-1 rated elc coolant.

i was just being my usual dim-witted general self. i wasnt being specific. i wasnt asked to be specific yet. no one asked me for a specific opinion yet. thus, i shall keep my mouth shut until asked. i'm not a mechanic; i'm an aerospace engineer-turned-business owner.

my apologies if u were offended by wat i lacked to say or watever i said.

have a wonderful evening!

09/26/2011: oh and btw, navistar built the 6.0 if u wan to be tat technical. navistar or international, they're still companies owned by ford. same darn thing if u ask me.
 

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Old Sep 26, 2011 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Snuggyworm
...just that motorcraft has the ford gold coolant and it was designed for use on the 6.0 as it helps wif the internal temperature as well as keeping the corrosion thingey from happening sooner...
I don't claim to be any kind of expert but this is contrary to all the other info I've found on this stuff. I was under the impression that Ford Gold Premium Coolant was simply what they were already using in all their vehicles and so they wanted it in this one too, despite the fact that the people they bought the engine from did not use this and instead use ELC.
 
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Old Sep 26, 2011 | 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Idahoser
I don't claim to be any kind of expert but this is contrary to all the other info I've found on this stuff. I was under the impression that Ford Gold Premium Coolant was simply what they were already using in all their vehicles and so they wanted it in this one too, despite the fact that the people they bought the engine from did not use this and instead use ELC.
as long as it aint other colors and it's gold and it's cat ec-1 rated elc coolant, u'll be jus fine. so far, ford has recommended their gold coolant and as a side note, if u read their fine print, they have also recommended tat the zerex g-05 coolant is safe for use in our 6.0s

have fun!
 
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Old Sep 26, 2011 | 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Snuggyworm
as long as it aint other colors and it's gold

Actually Cat® Extended Life Coolant is strawberry red.


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Old Sep 26, 2011 | 09:05 PM
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This is what they sell at my local International service center. It is what I used.
+1 Rotella ELC

$15 a gallon concentrate at my local International dealer.
 
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Old Sep 27, 2011 | 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Piolet

Actually Cat® Extended Life Coolant is strawberry red.


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tats very interesting! i learn something new again. gives me great confidence when i apply wat i learned. works all the time. lol. thanx piolet
 
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Old Sep 27, 2011 | 11:07 AM
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The Ford Gold Junk and the zerex G-05 junk are safe to run in a 6.0 untill the oil cooler plugs
The 6.0 is known to blow head gaskets. This is why it happens. The Ford Gold coolant contains silicates. The silicates are not able to handle high EGT's generated by a good load or relatively high boost when run through the EGR cooler. They break down into a jell like sludge and fall out of suspension. This crud gets caught up in the tiny coolant passageways of the oil cooler. As the cooler clogs up it restricts coolant flow to the egr cooler. Now the egr cooler doesn't have enough coolant to carry off the heat generated by high EGT's. The limited amount of coolant in the egr cooler flash boils causing high pressure in the cooling system and the truck pukes coolant from the degas bottle due to the pressure. (it has to go somewhere)
Your uninformed Powerstroke owner is not monitoring his coolant temps and oil temps so he doesn't know whats going on and he keeps driving it this way. The problem get worse, the pressure causes the egr cooler to rupture. Now the egr cooler is leaking coolant into the intake manifold which then runs into the cylinders. Again the high combustion temps cause the coolant to vaporize. This causes unacceptably high cylinder pressure, the TTY head bolts stretch due to the additional pressure and there go your head gaskets.

Ok now you know the problem. Here's the cure. Get a good engine monitoring solution like the Edge Insight so that you can monitor your ECT and EOT. If those temps get more than 15* apart at normal cruising when at normal operating temperature your oil cooler is clogging up. Rebuild it now to prevent all that down stream damage from occurring. Flush that Ford Gold coolant cxxp out of your engine with a couple bottles of Restore. This is made specifically to clean out that silicate residue. Now refill it with a silicate free Cat EC-1 rated ELC coolant. This removes the silicates that clog the oil cooler from the equation. If you live in an area where you don't have smog inspections delete the egr system. If you can't delete it replace the egr cooler with the cooler manufactured by Bulletproof Diesel. This is vastly superior to the Ford oem egr cooler and it will not fail on you. If you find that you need to replace head gaskets replace the TTY head bolts with ARP studs and use Ford head gaskets. If you have to replace the egr cooler always replace the oil cooler. That is the source of the problem.

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Old Sep 27, 2011 | 11:48 AM
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Well said! Excellent job explaining!
 
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Old Sep 27, 2011 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Dieselpop
The Ford Gold Junk and the zerex G-05 junk are safe to run in a 6.0 untill the oil cooler plugs
The 6.0 is known to blow head gaskets. This is why it happens. The Ford Gold coolant contains silicates. The silicates are not able to handle high EGT's generated by a good load or relatively high boost when run through the EGR cooler. They break down into a jell like sludge and fall out of suspension. This crud gets caught up in the tiny coolant passageways of the oil cooler. As the cooler clogs up it restricts coolant flow to the egr cooler. Now the egr cooler doesn't have enough coolant to carry off the heat generated by high EGT's. The limited amount of coolant in the egr cooler flash boils causing high pressure in the cooling system and the truck pukes coolant from the degas bottle due to the pressure. (it has to go somewhere)
Your uninformed Powerstroke owner is not monitoring his coolant temps and oil temps so he doesn't know whats going on and he keeps driving it this way. The problem get worse, the pressure causes the egr cooler to rupture. Now the egr cooler is leaking coolant into the intake manifold which then runs into the cylinders. Again the high combustion temps cause the coolant to vaporize. This causes unacceptably high cylinder pressure, the TTY head bolts stretch due to the additional pressure and there go your head gaskets.

Ok now you know the problem. Here's the cure. Get a good engine monitoring solution like the Edge Insight so that you can monitor your ECT and EOT. If those temps get more than 15* apart at normal cruising when at normal operating temperature your oil cooler is clogging up. Rebuild it now to prevent all that down stream damage from occurring. Flush that Ford Gold coolant cxxp out of your engine with a couple bottles of Restore. This is made specifically to clean out that silicate residue. Now refill it with a silicate free Cat EC-1 rated ELC coolant. This removes the silicates that clog the oil cooler from the equation. If you live in an area where you don't have smog inspections delete the egr system. If you can't delete it replace the egr cooler with the cooler manufactured by Bulletproof Diesel. This is vastly superior to the Ford oem egr cooler and it will not fail on you. If you find that you need to replace head gaskets replace the TTY head bolts with ARP studs and use Ford head gaskets. If you have to replace the egr cooler always replace the oil cooler. That is the source of the problem.

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well done! perfectly said!
 
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Old Sep 27, 2011 | 02:31 PM
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This is what I plan to use. $15.00http://www.recochem.com/us/index.php/products/automotive_liquids/stp/item/stp_heavy_duty_diesel_extended_life_antifreeze_coo lant/

Is it good stuff for our PUFF PUFF 6.0.

It contains low silicate, is CAT EC 1 approved, is RED, it is pre-charged,
 
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Old Sep 27, 2011 | 03:25 PM
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If it's CAT EC1 approved....it should be OK.
 
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