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Old Jan 25, 2012 | 11:07 AM
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I have sourced a spare TCU and CCU that I want to keep as emergency spares. What is the best storage device I can EMP proof them in? I have antistatic bags used for PC parts and a foodsaver, so I can vacuum seal the units and store them in a tin container like the kind cookies come in. How's that idea?
 
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Old Jan 25, 2012 | 11:23 AM
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It should keep them nice and fresh, can I have the cookies from the tin?
The way I look at it nobody would dare EMP the US because they dependway too much on us, if there are courties that want to see us dead, they can kiss all our oil money goodbye, and they will be in the same boat we are, it's kind of a shoot yourself in the foot type senario.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2012 | 11:47 AM
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It should keep them nice and fresh, can I have the cookies from the tin?
The way I look at it nobody would dare EMP the US because they dependway too much on us, if there are courties that want to see us dead, they can kiss all our oil money goodbye, and they will be in the same boat we are, it's kind of a shoot yourself in the foot type senario.
I don't know, I might not be able to get to the post office before they are all gone. lol

Even if you are right, there are natural events like solar flares. It has happened in the past but we were lucky it wasn't very big. It did, however, take down some grid utilities. I figure that if we get a big enough solar flare, the effects could be the same as an EMP.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2012 | 01:53 PM
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Old Jan 25, 2012 | 03:12 PM
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The way I look at it nobody would dare EMP the US because they dependway too much on us, if there are courties that want to see us dead, they can kiss all our oil money goodbye, and they will be in the same boat we are, it's kind of a shoot yourself in the foot type senario.
You are assuming everyone else is a rational actor. Not safe to do even in the people you meet every day. Then there's Iran...
 
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Old Jan 25, 2012 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by eatont9999
I have sourced a spare TCU and CCU that I want to keep as emergency spares. What is the best storage device I can EMP proof them in? I have antistatic bags used for PC parts and a foodsaver, so I can vacuum seal the units and store them in a tin container like the kind cookies come in. How's that idea?
I applaud your thinking, but the static bag won't keep the magnetic field from penetrating and inducing damaging currents inside the chips.

If you were to build a magnetically-shielded enclosure out of "Mu" metal (Mu-metal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia), then they might have a chance of surviving.

Yeah, I'm not going to do that either!

I should add that I need to do some more research on the frequencies induced by an EMP event, as this matters in what protection method is employed (see the link above).
 
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Old Jan 25, 2012 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by eatont9999
I have sourced a spare TCU and CCU that I want to keep as emergency spares. What is the best storage device I can EMP proof them in? I have antistatic bags used for PC parts and a foodsaver, so I can vacuum seal the units and store them in a tin container like the kind cookies come in. How's that idea?
Build a small room as a Faraday cage and store all your spare electronics in it.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2012 | 08:15 PM
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A steel container, stuffed with any space-generating non-conductive material, such as newspaper, with a single alligator clipped wire connected to the interior of the container, the other end clipped to a second metal container laid on the newspaper and not touching the outer container, both sealed, makes a good Faraday cage. The test of this item is to use a couple of handheld radios, one in the inner container, turned to max volume. Not cell phones. Call the inner one with the outer one and have someone with good ears listen. If you can hear -anything-, it's not a good shield. Frequency of EMP 10 kHz-1GHz. Max field intensity 50 kV/m. There are people who do not care that their customer is not able to pay.
Read 'One Second After' by Forstchen, or 'Lights Out' by Crawford. There's a Congressional Research Office report on High Altitude EMP (HEMP) that's worth reading. There's a good short article 'EMP: America's Achilles Heel' by Gaffney.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2012 | 10:06 PM
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[quote=artfd;11337198]The way I look at it nobody would dare EMP the US because they dependway too much on us, if there are courties that want to see us dead, they can kiss all our oil money goodbye, and they will be in the same boat we are, it's kind of a shoot yourself in the foot type senario.
You are assuming everyone else is a rational actor. Not safe to do even in the people you meet every day. Then there's Iran...[/quote


If they EMP the USA they must want to see if our missles work, and I'm sure they do!
 
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 01:59 AM
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if you are that worried put a zf5 in it and learn to drive a stick
 
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 08:07 AM
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AFAICT, the only things in my '83 diesel susceptible to EMP are the diodes in my alternator.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 02:40 PM
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AFAICT, the only things in my '83 diesel susceptible to EMP are the diodes in my alternator.
And the voltage regulator, assuming that you have one of the electronic ones (case is about 1" tall as opposed to the 2" tall electromechanical types). Also, your glow plug timer/controller, if you have one.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 06:55 PM
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isn't it already enough work and worry to be concerned with the certainties in life,that we should also worry about the what ifs too?
 
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by FORDF250HDXLT
isn't it already enough work and worry to be concerned with the certainties in life,that we should also worry about the what ifs too?
You have a point. I do like to have a complete list of things to wonder about when either the power fails in my neighborhood or my vehicle stalls out.
 
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Old Jan 27, 2012 | 02:09 AM
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isn't it already enough work and worry to be concerned with the certainties in life,that we should also worry about the what ifs too?
Getting a bit more OT here, but look at how incredibly dependent we all are upon our infrastructure, and it has all happened in the past century.

100 years ago, if the electricity went out (for those lucky enough to have it), it was no big deal, as most people were used to living without it and it wasn't yet seen as a necessity. Nobody had a refrigerator yet, so nobody's food spoiled. Heat was also provided by other means, so nobody froze.

100 years ago, we didn't depend upon daily shipments to restock our grocery stores. My grandparents (born 100-110 years ago) all had multiple refrigerators and freezers along with root-cellar storage of enough canned food to last for several months. Today, most people don't even have a week's worth of food on hand (speaking mostly of urban dwellers, although I suppose this may be true for many in more rural areas now too).

If our entire country lost electricity for a few months, millions of people would die (lack of food, lack of medical service, loss of medicines, no pumping or refining of petroleum, no drinking water, sewage treatment, and so on). Do your own research if you don't believe me.

We have become so utterly dependent upon technology for our survival, in ways that every previous generation before us could not even imagine.

Just look at how many people are addicted to their smartphones now, even though they weren't even in existence until a few years ago. And they are certainly not necessary to sustain life!

Given all this, it certainly makes sense to prepare for what we can only hope and pray will never happen. Example: you can sit in a southern city that sits below sea level, think happy thoughts, and wish that hurricanes don't happen. That may work for years, even decades. But when you're suddenly trapped inside your attic by fast-rising floodwaters, you probably are wishing that you had thought a bit more about the what-ifs!

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