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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 12:38 PM
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ABS not working

my 99 f350 has ABS but, its not working. I have checked the fuses and they are all ok.
the light on the dash does come on then out at start-up like it should.

I did a search and really didn't find anything about the system. Does anyone know where the sensor are on the truck. Also a diagram would be a a great help for tracking down the system.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 01:05 PM
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Well you have one sensor on each front wheel hub and 1 on the diff. I have the same problem but I need to know is what the ohmns range should be on these sensors so I can unplug and check before I start throwing parts at it. And is the range of the front different than the back 1? And to be honest I'll bet your or my problem is sensor or the plug that plugs into the sensor. Very rarely is it anything major.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by rckrwlr
my 99 f350 has ABS but, its not working. I have checked the fuses and they are all ok.
the light on the dash does come on then out at start-up like it should.

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That usually means the system is working fine. How do you know your ABS is not working?

Not all trucks have 4 wheel ABS...you will need to check your '99 to see if there are sensors on the front wheels to know for sure. Each front wheel will have a sensor (if equiped with 4 wheel ABS) then the VSS does double duty in the rear diff (as a speed and ABS sensor)
 
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Shake-N-Bake
That usually means the system is working fine. How do you know your ABS is not working?

Not all trucks have 4 wheel ABS...you will need to check your '99 to see if there are sensors on the front wheels to know for sure. Each front wheel will have a sensor (if equiped with 4 wheel ABS) then the VSS does double duty in the rear diff (as a speed and ABS sensor)
My e99 has the sensor on the rear diff on top of the pig. Would the VSS still play a role in the abs ? Do you know what the ohmns should be on the sensors and the vss sensor ? I know on big rigs and trailers the abs sensors should be between 500 ohmns and 2000 ohmns. But on these little trucks I have no clue.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by BadDogKuzz
My e99 has the sensor on the rear diff on top of the pig. Would the VSS still play a role in the abs ? Do you know what the ohmns should be on the sensors and the vss sensor ? I know on big rigs and trailers the abs sensors should be between 500 ohmns and 2000 ohmns. But on these little trucks I have no clue.
I have no clue on the ohm range. I usually just connect my AE and monitor the mph readings. For whatever reason, the sensors reports 3 mph even when stopped and then goes up from there. I have seen sensors that have a dead range from 3-10 mph and then read correctly for higher speeds. Even so, it still will throw the ABS light and disable the system until the sensor is replaced and or cleaned. Yes, the VSS is the ABS sensor for the rear wheels. VSS sensors are fairly inexpensive. The fronts sensors can be quite expensive if you have a 4x4...
 
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 10:06 PM
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Front ABS Sensor Ohm Readings across the Sensor End connection

4x2 F250/350: 2,000-4,000 ohms

4x2 F450/550: 650-800 ohms

4x4 F250/550: 650-800 ohms

Rear ABS Sensor (VSS) Ohm Readings

All: 800-3,500 ohms

I also test ABS sensors on tractor trailer rigs and vehicles by setting my DVOM or Analog meter to its low AC volts scale and test for voltage while quickly spinning the wheel/hub assembly. Since they are adjustable on the larger rigs, it is usually a matter of resetting the clearance of the sensor or cleaning the ring.
 
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by mueckster
Front ABS Sensor Ohm Readings across the Sensor End connection

4x2 F250/350: 2,000-4,000 ohms

4x2 F450/550: 650-800 ohms

4x4 F250/550: 650-800 ohms

Rear ABS Sensor (VSS) Ohm Readings

All: 800-3,500 ohms

I also test ABS sensors on tractor trailer rigs and vehicles by setting my DVOM or Analog meter to its low AC volts scale and test for voltage while quickly spinning the wheel/hub assembly. Since they are adjustable on the larger rigs, it is usually a matter of resetting the clearance of the sensor or cleaning the ring.
Thanks Roland You are like the Shell Answer Man. I have a feeling it is one of sensors and since I have been spending alot of time laying under my truck lately I think I'll also see if I can't fix that pesty little yellow light on the dash ABS (It only goes on when I start rolling) I have been driving around with it on for about 3mths. It is always easier for me to start by checking sensors and leads with a DVOM. Besides I don't have AE or a scan tool for abs.
Fixing abs on tractor or trailers is alot easier than these smaller trucks. Maybe because I have worked on more big rigs. I should have known you work on tractor/ trailers actually is there anything you don't work on. LOL
Thanks Ed
 
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Old Sep 19, 2011 | 07:25 AM
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ABS is over rated
 
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Old Sep 19, 2011 | 07:32 AM
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On my truck I had a speedo that would not respond when you first start out, and then a second or so later it would jump up, and the ABS light would go on. I could be wrong but if the rear sensor doesn't work, then it will use the ABS sensors in the front to run the speedo. I replaced the VSS and it has been great since. I think it was like 28 bucks from Ford. It did not do it all the time, So I ran it till it did, good bad or other wise I have learned that Fords just throw codes some times... You just have to know what ones are the ones to worry about.
 
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Old Sep 19, 2011 | 07:41 AM
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Old Sep 19, 2011 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Rose Clifford
ABS is over rated
I agree to a certain extent, but nowadays ABS is a larger part of a balanced braking system. Without a proportioning valve like the older vehicles, the ABS carries that responsibilty.
I had the rear sensor go bad on a '00 Explorer Sport and would cause the rear brakes to lock and tires skid during hard braking. This, in turn, would put you in a ditch. I replaced the sensor and balanced braking was restored. That $20 part was a difference betwen and bad day and a good one. It was my wife's vehicle and that made fixing it all more the important.
 
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Old Sep 19, 2011 | 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mueckster
I agree to a certain extent, but nowadays ABS is a larger part of a balanced braking system. Without a proportioning valve like the older vehicles, the ABS carries that responsibilty.
I had the rear sensor go bad on a '00 Explorer Sport and would cause the rear brakes to lock and tires skid during hard braking. This, in turn, would put you in a ditch. I replaced the sensor and balanced braking was restored. That $20 part was a difference betwen and bad day and a good one. It was my wife's vehicle and that made fixing it all more the important.
I actually agree with both statements. I think abs is over rated but there is no doing without the system like you said without proportioning valve you have no choice but to deal with ABS systems. And in many cases the abs is also used for TCS traction control. All of these systems are great for people like my wife who needs them. Actually the abs engaged on her and freaked her out and told me there was something wrong with her SUV. LOL I had to take her for a drive and teach her that when the abs goes off just keep pressure on the brake pedal. LOL But ABS and 4+4 keeps her out of the ditchs in the winter. OK most of the time !!!
 
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Old Sep 20, 2011 | 06:42 AM
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Agreed with you guys 100%....for the panic'er ABS is unbeatable, but if you can remain calm in a hairy situation and brake properly you're much better off than relying on abs.
 
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