I have just heard about the tragic death of an American woman soldier. I think she was executed by the Iraqi's and was with Jessica Lynchs' outfit. I was sad to learn that she had very young children, and did not hear any mention of their father or her husband. Does anyone know more about this?
I do not think mothers in the military should be anywhere near the front lines, with the infantry, or supporting it. The military provides a great career and the benefits are superb, but I do not think that leaving young children without a mother is acceptable, and we should not let this practice continue. I do not think that is discrimination against women, but a good way to ensure that the children have a mother. There are plenty of options to women in the military and I think that many women could become great soldiers.If the military can find a way to let females join the ranks of combat ground personnel, so be it; but I think it would be wrong to offer that job to a female with children. I think that the bond between a mother and her children is too great a bond to break.

 

im in NO way dissagreeing with you....

BUT you can look at it this way, whether she was on the front lines or not it STILL could have happened. i think they were a supply convoy? really scks that they got hit just delivering supplies- they werent even engaging battle.

if you say single mothers cant be out in the action, what about single fathers? all need to be treated equally.

"well if SHE doesnt have to jump in front of bullets; why do i ?"

 

More thoughts and ramblings......

The feminist movement in this country has morphed into a big political agenda. The feminist movement wants the pentagon to allow women in combat. They are actively fighting for putting women on submarines, flying combat aircraft and deployment on combat ships. While some women may be able to do certain jobs as well as any man, I strongly dissagree with their agenda. We are created differently. We think, act, react, reason, communicate and for the most part, at opposite ends of the emotional spectrum. Each has their own strengths and weaknesses. Feminists seem to not want to accept the fact that when it comes to physicial aptitude, a man can fight another man with a better chance of winning, than a woman can fight a man and come out the victor. Sure there are acceptions to the rule. Men and women living in close proximity to each other for weeks, months at a time is just asking for trouble. And if a woman becomes pregnant, most feminist will say it's the mans fault for not being able to control his desires.

I think it was a mistake for president Clinton to listen to the feminists and give into their political agenda to allow women on navy ships and allow women to come in close contact with combat or combat support units where there is a better that average chance of them being captured or killed like what we are seeing now. I don't believe an army can fight a war effectively to win and be politicaly correct at the same time. I think to allow women in combat units for the sake of political correctness without regard to the objetive of winning the battle is a selfish desire to try to prove something.

I can understand a woman having a strong desire to fight. I admire those who are willing. But a woman doesn't have to go off and fight a war to gain my respect or prove their patriotism. I think men may be are partly to blame for this as well. The feminist movement is a backlash against the male oppression of women in the work place, in the political arena, in the home and other places in society in the recent past. While the movement has done a lot for womens rights in the work place among others, the pendulm has swung way past what is fair and reasonable. Now if men say anything to object to their agenda and ideas, the feminist have a fit and men are labled as domineering male oppressors against women. So men have become like little whiped puppy dogs in standing up to the feminist movement. Men have to find their footing and stand their ground and put political correctness aside when it comes to fighting a war.

You raise an interesting point about single mothers and fathers in combat units. Should they be exempt from combat? What about the single mothers and fathers who want to join up. Don't they know they might be called up and sent off to war? Knowing this, why do they join the military in the first place? Would the feminist movement support the idea of allowing single mothers to be exempt from combat support units or will they hold fast to their agenda for the sake of "equality"?

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I'm kinda disagreeing with you. Women are let into the military because they are considered equals.

Every life lost is tragic, man or woman.

Hasn't Jessica proven women have value and worth? My heart goes out to the loved ones of all the servicemen injured or killed in the defense of this country.

Now let's not turn this into a conversation about me wanting to go into combat with a woman having my back because there are some men that would worry about my phyical size and hand to hand fighting ability also.

 

Anyone with children that goes off to war and dies commits the greatest of sacrifices, far more than a parent that dies in a car accident and leaves their children behind.

The only question that remains is what are we going to do for these dead parents that risked everything and how to help their children the next 18 years.

 

I used to think women shouldn't be in the military. Then I joined. I was in the Coast Guard. Let me tell you something, when there's a fire in diesel 2 and you're going down that hatch with the hose to put it out it DOES NOT matter if the person behind you has the XX chromesone or not. Women are every bit as capable in a combat type situation (and don't tell me a fire 2,000 miles off shore is not combat) as a man is.
Women can learn a complex difficult job and do it just as well as any man. I've seen a women hump 100 feet of fire hose on her shoulders through 3 decks while wearing a FFE and OBA. She was definitely not butch either. Little tiny southern belle. 5'6" and 130 lbs soaking wet. I've seen women making engineering rounds in the screaming sixties when waves were rolling the boat 45 degrees and I've seen women pulling heads off diesels when the heat index was 125 degrees in the space. They can do it all.

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My daughter is a Chief in the Coast Guard. She is going to love your disrespectful remark. You can't defend women and talk like that at the same time.

The Coast Guard is less than 50% manned. Without the women picking up the slack for men that won't work for that litttle pay, they would have to close the doors or start accepting a bunch of high school drop-out quitter men.

PS I'm not defending my Daughter, she takes care of herself and a lot of other Coasties and Idiot boaters & Dopers.

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What boat is she on? If she rides 'breakers she's heard worse! Gotta excuse me for talkin like a sailor, I'm still getting my land tongue back.

 

Not a problem here, I did 20 years in the Navy, most of it Pre-women. My kid told me if she taps another female on the shoulder when talking to them, she could be brought up on charges for sexual hassasment.

This is to show me how the weenies have invaded the hundreds of years old mans world of seamanship. My Chief used to kick my rear.

 

Just my 2 cents:

I like what DailyDriver said. Another point to raise is : say the draft is re-instated, should women be included? In my opinoin, the feminists like it when things go there way. How would they like to see a dead raped female soldier being drug through the streets in some other country, espicially if the female soldier opposed being their? If the draft included women, would a female who is a mother or pregnant go? What if they got pregnant while fighting? There are too many problems with women in the military in my opinion. I know some will agree and some will disagree with what I just wrote, but that is what opinions are.

Lenny

 

"The only question that remains is what are we going to do for these dead parents that risked everything and how to help their children the next 18 years."


You want Perfect Retribution AND Restitution??

Ask those Hollywood Idiots to Pay the tab for the rest of these children's lives.

See how fast they run...

MY 2 Cents!

Jane

 

Most likely it would be very distasteful to anyone with the smallest trace of human decency, man or woman. I don't want to see a male serviceman treated that way either, neither our serviceman or the enemy.

 

We were all adults when we were sworn in(albiet some of us had powerful hangovers) If you are afraid of getting into such a situation don't join it is the armed services and you will find yourself at times in situations that just don't happen when you are a school teacher or a UPS driver. When we were activated it was a matter of pride that we only lost one person who bugged out, and it wasn't one of the females. We had some high schoolers who had to be left behind but them are the rules, can't go till you graduate.
The point is it doesn't matter what anyone thinks. The Army, well all of the armed services, have women trained for almost all of the military occupations, and by the way they will boot you if you are a single parent,unless you can put together an emergency packet to transfer the care of the child to a relative or serious friend, I know they caught and almost booted me when me and my ex wife parted company and I got custody. And they don't have time to shuffle people around when a situation arises, if thats the job you are trained and qualified for, you will go. And almost all military occupations can find themselves under fire. If you walk in and hold up your right hand thats your decision but a father shouldn't have to die any more than a mother, and they both have to volunteer to be there.