I know how most of you feel about bio in the 6.4......many felt the same about it in the 6.0 when it first got big, but I ran it in my 6.0 and have little to complain about. ..........so who's running it?

 

Anybody who passes through one of the corn states is running it for sure because they passed laws that make it the only diesel you can buy. I have read the EPAs study on bio diesel in DPF engines. You can find a copy under my signature posted on this forum on December 13th or 15th 2010. Bottom line in study: bio diesel causes more oil dilution in diesel engines with DPF technology than regular diesel. Reason being that while both enter the crankcase during exhaust cleaning a lot of reguar diesel will "boil" out of the oil during normal operation. The bio withstands the higher temps and will not boil out. They further concluded that the bio caused dilution did not cause engine problems and that the tested motors ran to 200,000 miles "WHICH IS TWICE THE LIFE THAT A CONSUMER SHOULD EXPECT FROM A DIESEL ENGINE". They did not test a truck but were testing smaller car engines. Still, the technology is the same. With my apologies in advance to all you guys who are getting rich selling corn, absent federal subsities bio would not last 6 months on the open market. The whole program is another example of the federal government picking winners and losers. And no I am not in nor do I have any interest in the oil business. I'm just a guy who got back a 6% dilution report on an oil analysis and looked into the problem.

 

In relation to bio and ethonal, check out this article from a study on energy from plants.

Producing ethanol and biodiesel from corn and other crops is not worth the energy

This article is from 2005, everyone knew then that bio is just not a sustainable energy. Also note the author is from U of C Berkley, Ca. If there was a place calling for Green Bio Energy, this would be one of those places.

Oh and I avoid Bio at all costs. I had lots of problems and I could feel that it has less power and it also really messed up my fuel filters. Avoid LOVES, that is what they sell folks.

 

Yes, Loves sells it. I called a manager when I was trying to figure out what caused my dilution and he told me they sell bio always if they can get the federal money and regular diesel if they can't. So, I guess there is no law requiring them to post bio on the pumps because I sure didn't see it on there or I wouldn't have been using loves.

 

I don't buy the whole dilution is caused by bio thing, there are plenty of people with dilution that have never run bio. And as far as the EPA study goes..........hahaha........arent we burning more fuel to keep emissions down?

 

Anybody buying fuel in Pa. is burning 5% bio. It became a mandate over a year ago.

 

I thought that the percentage of bio had to be clearly marked? Kind of like ethanol...

I'm pretty sure the 6.4 is rated for 5% bio MAX...the new 6.7s are rated for bio 20% which Ford proudly advertises on the fender badge.

I ran some bio of varying percentages in my 6.0 and didn't have any problems with it at all. Big differences between that truck and my '10 are CR fuel injection and I had a FASS fuel system on my Excursion and I haven't gotten around to doing an AirDogII (165 GPH/10 psi fixed) on my '10 yet.

I'm fine with plain ole diesel for now and wouldn't want to run anything higher than B5 with any regularity without having the AirDog installed. I'm already doing oil analysis so keeping an eye on any changes wouldn't be an issue either..

 

Well OK, but I didn't just dream that up, I took if from the EPA study. See my post above. My personal experience was an OA with 6% dilution following a trip through the midwest. I got out the fuel reciepts and backed tracked, and sure enough almost every station I used had bio 5. That was the only OA I've had with anywhere near that dilution. Again, read my post above, the bio will not boil out of the oil. Again, that's not me guessing, it's from the EPA report. a report for which you and I payed.

 

I read that months ago when you posted it, ya it seems to make alot of sense.... But I ran alot of bio in a 6.0 without issue and am probably going to do the same in my 6.4 seeing as how I'm deleted now regens and unburnt fuel are not a concern to me...... Good quality bio even at 20% shouldnt be an issue.

 

Yep, I agree with that, once the DPF is gone and the truck doesn't regen it shouldn't dilute the oil.

 

 

Do you have any idea what type of Bio was used here. B100 or what?

Hey see you are from Waynesville, MO, I graduated from Rolla many years ago. Back when it was UMR.

 

Let's hear the deal on that bad boy! What's the story?

 

wow digging through the archives ha Vince?


So on a serious note from a techs perspective , if you where deleted, want your truck to last a while and don't pound the crap out of it , but you do give it a good blow out every once and a while.....would it be wise to run say B-20? I mean good quality B-20.

 

Extra filtration and increased fuel filter changes would be or should be the norm for running more bio.

DPF missing of course.