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Old Sep 8, 2011 | 10:20 PM
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Heater problems

so my heater has been cold, even when the truck is at full operating temps, couple guys pointed me into here after getting me to check my fluid, it was low on fluid, i added the proper amount and noticed the air blowing did get warmer, but it still doesnt seem as hot as it should be

the truck is a 04 F250 6.0L FX4 Lariat
 
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Old Sep 8, 2011 | 11:20 PM
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Coolant level in degas bottle? had it been low? What level did you fill it to?
Check the degas bottle for the presence of combustion gas (test kit can be bought at NAPA).
 
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Old Sep 9, 2011 | 06:05 AM
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Have you done a coolant flush? If not give that a try and it should help.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2011 | 06:22 AM
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Jus drain out all old fluid and put new in?
 
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Old Sep 9, 2011 | 07:13 AM
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The flush is a little more involved that just draining the old fluid and put in new. I think there is a detailed description of the procedure in the Tech Folder. If the truck has never had its coolant flushed it definitely needs to be done. The procedure is easy just a little time consuming.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2011 | 09:46 AM
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Check heater control valve also. It's on the small coolant line near oil fill cap passenger side valve cover. Go from heat to off on the control and arm on valve should move. Also check vacuum hard plastic line for leaks.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2011 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Lownslowsrt
so my heater has been cold, even when the truck is at full operating temps, couple guys pointed me into here after getting me to check my fluid, it was low on fluid, i added the proper amount and noticed the air blowing did get warmer, but it still doesnt seem as hot as it should be
How low was it? How old is the thermostat in the truck? The OEM dashboard gauge is an over-glorified idiot light...I don't think it relays an actual temperature.
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Check heater control valve also. It's on the small coolant line near oil fill cap passenger side valve cover. Go from heat to off on the control and arm on valve should move. Also check vacuum hard plastic line for leaks.
Only the crew cab trucks have the vacuum activated shut off valve. Since he didn't say, can't rule out if he's got one or not. If he's been working under the hood in the last 6 months, it's possible he knocked it off the teat on either end if he's got one.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2011 | 11:56 AM
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It was at the min line, truck is a crew cab and before I bought it the injectors and ficm were changed, so work has been done
 
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Old Sep 9, 2011 | 12:06 PM
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I think I'd look at the simple potential problems before I went on the to difficult, expensive ones. If the coolant level was at the MIN line, that really isn't that bad and shouldn't have caused a no heat problem.

First thing I'd check are the heater hoses. Are they getting hot. As hot as the radiator hoses? If they are not, then you may have a coolant flow problem. Check the heater control valve operation. It should close and shut off coolant flow with the heater in the OFF and MAX A/C positions and be open in all the other control positions.

If the heater hoses are hot, open the glove box, push in on the sides and let it fall all the way down. Find the electronic blend door motor and make sure it turns with the temperature control ****. You may have to remove it to see it. It looks like the one in the picture #2 below.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2011 | 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Lownslowsrt
It was at the min line, truck is a crew cab and before I bought it the injectors and ficm were changed, so work has been done
Ok, that helps rule out/rule in a couple of things. Assuming your still with the original degas (overflow) bottle, the MIN mark cast into the side of the bottle is the highest you should fill the coolant. If there is a Ford sticker on it, the new maximum fill line should be marked on it. If you fill it above the MIN mark, you can/could have coolant puking when you work the truck hard. Since it's a CC, look on the passenger side valve cover...near where the oil fill pipe goes in. There should be a vacuum valve in one of the heater core hoses. That valve should have a small plastic vacuum line hooked into, make sure that's plugged in on both ends.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2011 | 12:13 PM
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Just FYI. The vacuum heater control valve in the heater hose closes and prevents coolant from flowing when there is vacuum at the vacuum hose. When there is no vacuum at the hose, a spring opens the valve and coolant flows.

If the hose is disconnected, the spring should open the valve and coolant should flow, unless the valve is sticking closed for some reason.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2011 | 01:02 PM
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I will take a look at it this afternoon when I get back to my truck
 
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Old Sep 9, 2011 | 05:25 PM
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ok so i am off work and at the house tinkering...

have a few pics/vids

this the check valve?


also the heater hoses were as hot as the radiator hoses

this is the only setting that the air gets hot in, it takes it about 2-3 mins running on that setting (truck is already at operating temp) but does get hot....


also is this the actuater yall are talking about if so it moves in all postions
 
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Old Sep 9, 2011 | 06:24 PM
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That is the valve. If the heater hoses are hot then the valve is working and coolant is flowing.

That is not the actuator, though. That appears to be the panel/defrost vacuum motor.

The actuator you are looking for is electrical. It should have a connector that looks like the one below with 5 wires to it. The motor should move a door and should move in time with the air temperature dial.
 
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Old Sep 9, 2011 | 06:28 PM
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Is it in my pic that I posted? Up to the right
 
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