Help identifing my ford engine?
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Help identifing my ford engine?
Hey guys, I a new to this ford forum. i am also new to ford truck ownership. I have a 1978 Ford F600 bucket truck. The truck has about 30,000 original miles on it, but looks much worse that that. I am having all kinds of issues with the engine. I do not know the size of the engine. The air cleaner base has a partial sticker that reads "330 X?". Although I am not sure this is the size of the engine. I can take picture of the engine if this will help. I did find casing number on the intake manifold. the numbers are D5te-9425-84. As I understand, these numbers stand for 1970-1975-truck-engine-engine component-?. I haven'ty found out what the 84 stands for. Also, I have been unable to locate the block casting numbers. Anyone know where to find them? The engine is "pouring" oil out. I drove it 13 miles the other day and it used almost two quarts of oil. More than likely leaked two quarts. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I don't know if I should rebuilt or replace. These engines are hard to find in my area.
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Your truck may have an FT engine, 330 CID. The "X" might be for "Extra duty", the heavier duty version of that engine.
Does the intake manifold extend under the valve covers? If so, it's an FT for sure. If not, can't be an FT.
FTs are related to the FE car and light truck engine. Parts interchange is minimal.
Can you isolate the leaks? The back of the intake is a favorite place, fuel pump, valve covers, oil filter mount/adaptor.
Is it burning oil also, or just leaking?
Does the intake manifold extend under the valve covers? If so, it's an FT for sure. If not, can't be an FT.
FTs are related to the FE car and light truck engine. Parts interchange is minimal.
Can you isolate the leaks? The back of the intake is a favorite place, fuel pump, valve covers, oil filter mount/adaptor.
Is it burning oil also, or just leaking?
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1964/78 F500/750: There are 4 possible FT engines: 330 2V M/D (C), 330 2V H/D (D), 361 2V (E) / 391 4V (F).
The engine code ( ) is the 4th digit of the VIN. The above codes are 1966/78 related. 1964/65's use different codes.
Casting numbers are foundry marks, are usually worthless for ID'ing engine sizes...and cannot be cross referenced to Ford part numbers.
D5TE-9425-B4 is the casting number for a 1975 intake manifold. Since the number cannot be cross referenced, I have no clue what it is.
The 330 M/D is related to 352/360 FE engines...so some of the parts are the same. But the other three FT's share next to no parts with FE engines.
Do not believe the mileage. The odometers of trucks of this vintage read to 99,999.9 .. then return to ZERO.
And...crooked new/used car/truck dealers (and private owners) were notorious for illegally rolling back odometers.
IMO: 30,000 miles on a 33 year old truck is unrealistic, especially when the type of truck is considered. Suggest adding...at least a 1.
1964/78 F500/750: There are 4 possible FT engines: 330 2V M/D (C), 330 2V H/D (D), 361 2V (E) / 391 4V (F).
The engine code ( ) is the 4th digit of the VIN. The above codes are 1966/78 related. 1964/65's use different codes.
Casting numbers are foundry marks, are usually worthless for ID'ing engine sizes...and cannot be cross referenced to Ford part numbers.
D5TE-9425-B4 is the casting number for a 1975 intake manifold. Since the number cannot be cross referenced, I have no clue what it is.
The 330 M/D is related to 352/360 FE engines...so some of the parts are the same. But the other three FT's share next to no parts with FE engines.
Do not believe the mileage. The odometers of trucks of this vintage read to 99,999.9 .. then return to ZERO.
And...crooked new/used car/truck dealers (and private owners) were notorious for illegally rolling back odometers.
IMO: 30,000 miles on a 33 year old truck is unrealistic, especially when the type of truck is considered. Suggest adding...at least a 1.
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F60 = F600 (gas) / D = 330 2V H/D FT engine / V = Kentucky Truck Assembly Plant / AGXXXX = 1978.
1978 serial number range (All Series Trucks, Econolines & Bronco's): AE0,001-CK9,999.
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That sounds great, but I still have one question. What if the engine has been changed. How do I identify this engine as the original 330?
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Measure the stroke...but I don't have stroke figures for FT engines.
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Should be a 330 XD those were very common in fleet trucks of that era all the way up til 1979! Many were used in garbage trucks and also the factory installed engine for all F-350 u haul trucks of the era. Not many parts interchange but valve cover gaskets,oil pan gasket, rear main seal, valve stem seals and a few others do!
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Come down to the FE/FT forum, and ask about your engine. It's a 330XD, which is an FT engine. It is possible to transplant it with another FE or FT engine, there are various things on the engine that do not work to put an FE in there, but it is doable with bolt-ons.
But before all that, figure out WHERE the oil is leaking out and we can help further.
I'm willing to bet it's either the rear-main-seal, or the valve cover gaskets. If it's the valve covers, I'm also willing to bet the head drains are clogged, the heads are flooding with oil, and some simple do-it-yourself work will help the engine live a lot longer if you're not interested in a rebuild.
Either way, there are various options of upgrading the engine itself to a 361/391, or transplanting an FE (390, most likely) into it. Again, go to the FE/FT forum and ask there...
But before all that, figure out WHERE the oil is leaking out and we can help further.
I'm willing to bet it's either the rear-main-seal, or the valve cover gaskets. If it's the valve covers, I'm also willing to bet the head drains are clogged, the heads are flooding with oil, and some simple do-it-yourself work will help the engine live a lot longer if you're not interested in a rebuild.
Either way, there are various options of upgrading the engine itself to a 361/391, or transplanting an FE (390, most likely) into it. Again, go to the FE/FT forum and ask there...
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What's the difference between a 330 H/D & XD? Nothing. The 1973/79 Ford Heavy Truck Parts Catalog's FT engine parts lists doesn't even list an XD.
As I recall, XD was just Ford hype to promote the engine....the first year XD appears in the VIN engine decode charts is 1975.
I listed it as a H/D, cuz that's all it is.
And, 1973/78 U-Haul F350's used the 330 2V M/D engine, VIN engine code C.
As I recall, XD was just Ford hype to promote the engine....the first year XD appears in the VIN engine decode charts is 1975.
I listed it as a H/D, cuz that's all it is.
And, 1973/78 U-Haul F350's used the 330 2V M/D engine, VIN engine code C.
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That can be VERY confusing to people looking for parts. Most auto parts stores go by VIN codes, and if their books list it as "XD" and you tell someone "HD", that can be difficult to overcome.
If you want to talk about this in the FE/FT forum and explain to everyone the similarities/differences in the 330, be my guest
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Since there is no Ford truck parts catalog listing for a 330 2V XD engine, it uses the same parts as the 330 2V H/D engine. The VIN engine code is the same for both: D
If an autoparts store happens to list both, it would be easy as pie to compare part numbers between the two engines...which...of course, are the same.
If an autoparts store happens to list both, it would be easy as pie to compare part numbers between the two engines...which...of course, are the same.