Warn VR12000 vs. M12000??
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Warn VR12000 vs. M12000??
Don't know much about winches. Brake design, three-stage planetary geartrain, duty cycle . . . all foreign specs to me.
I do know I'll need a 12K pound winch for my F350. (1.5 X weight of truck) Warn offers one for $680.000, and the "M" model for over twice that.
So what are the real differences and do they really matter when your burried to the nuts? I would use it very rarely, would never be a long pull, I plan on getting ****** blocks and other necessary winch accessories.
Also, I will be attaching the winch in a receiver in the front and the back.
I do know I'll need a 12K pound winch for my F350. (1.5 X weight of truck) Warn offers one for $680.000, and the "M" model for over twice that.
So what are the real differences and do they really matter when your burried to the nuts? I would use it very rarely, would never be a long pull, I plan on getting ****** blocks and other necessary winch accessories.
Also, I will be attaching the winch in a receiver in the front and the back.
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no personal experience with either, but just from reading the specs and looking at the two on warn's site the m12000 looks to be a more heavy duty model. it has a lower gear ratio and a slightly quicker line speed. the vr12000 is more of an occasional use lighter duty cycle unit with a more compact design. the m12000 also comes with 30 ft. more cable and weighs almost double that of the vr12000.
Warn Industries - Fire Rescue Winches: M12000
Warn Industries - Jeep, Truck & SUV Winches: VR12000
to be honest i'm sure you'd be 100% fine with the vr12000 unless you plan to use the winch everyday.
Warn Industries - Fire Rescue Winches: M12000
Warn Industries - Jeep, Truck & SUV Winches: VR12000
to be honest i'm sure you'd be 100% fine with the vr12000 unless you plan to use the winch everyday.
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Yeah I'm aware one is an "entry level" winch and the other "heavy duty", just not sure what the real life-in the field differences might be. I think I could get by with "entry level" but don't want to buy it and then find out when you need it that you should have got the other one.
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x2. he must've edited because i don't remember that being there earlier. looks like warn only rates the multi mounts to 9,500lbs, and then you have to make sure your hitch is up to snuff with that rating as well.....
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Good stuff all . . . but the question at hand is the winch features. Why is one a third of the price of the other at the same rating? Again, I don't play in the mud & muck. I do occasionally have to drive through it to go hunting and such. I would guess that I would use the winch more to pull an elk up a steep incline more times than ever getting my rig out. I'm also thinking that with ****** blocks, I will double the pulling power and therefore reduce stress on receiver. Receivers are available up to 15K pounds by the way.
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Using a ****** block doubles the load put on the receiver.
I don't think any of us can tell you specifics more than what DAN told you up there. It's cheaper because it uses cheaper parts. It will work fine for occasional use and won't have any problems pulling your truck out if you get stuck. It just might be a little slower or you might need to let it cool down half way through a pull (look up duty cycle on it and don't exceed it unless you want to smoke your winch while you're stuck in the middle of nowhere), but it'll get the job done.
I don't think any of us can tell you specifics more than what DAN told you up there. It's cheaper because it uses cheaper parts. It will work fine for occasional use and won't have any problems pulling your truck out if you get stuck. It just might be a little slower or you might need to let it cool down half way through a pull (look up duty cycle on it and don't exceed it unless you want to smoke your winch while you're stuck in the middle of nowhere), but it'll get the job done.
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Class V are rated to 10k lbs. I guess its possible someone decided to build a Class VI or VII recently though. Id make extra sure Im pulling 1000% directly behind the truck with a 12k winch and a ****** block on ANY receiver.
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heres the thing...
a 12k winch doesnt pull 4k just because all you need is 4k of pulling power. The first time you get sideways or need to pull at any angle that sideloads the hitch it will crumple like a tin foil. They MAY be rated for 12k+ but regardless they ARE NOT rated for sideloads.
a 12k winch doesnt pull 4k just because all you need is 4k of pulling power. The first time you get sideways or need to pull at any angle that sideloads the hitch it will crumple like a tin foil. They MAY be rated for 12k+ but regardless they ARE NOT rated for sideloads.
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does anyone point to a solution? Instead of telling the guy it wont work why not point him in the right direction?
For starters you could get a heavy duty reciever of your choice and just beef it up. No biggie. Weld some more angle iron, and add bigger bolts Take a die grinder and dremel out the 1/2 or 5/8 pin or w/e and make it say a 3/4" pin.
I made my own winch reciever out of some 3/8 plate that utilized all the holes to mount to that were available. I made it a dual reciever.
Each reciever held a 3/4" pin that had a lock on it but also one of the mounting bolts had a small weld/ tack holding to plate. I left the front outside tabs to one day weld a tube gaurd in front of winch that I never got to.
Side note recievers suck for approach angle and I'd give my reciever to the first guy that gave me a cold 15 pack who needed one. My winches are now tucked up high and out of harms way!
For starters you could get a heavy duty reciever of your choice and just beef it up. No biggie. Weld some more angle iron, and add bigger bolts Take a die grinder and dremel out the 1/2 or 5/8 pin or w/e and make it say a 3/4" pin.
I made my own winch reciever out of some 3/8 plate that utilized all the holes to mount to that were available. I made it a dual reciever.
Each reciever held a 3/4" pin that had a lock on it but also one of the mounting bolts had a small weld/ tack holding to plate. I left the front outside tabs to one day weld a tube gaurd in front of winch that I never got to.
Side note recievers suck for approach angle and I'd give my reciever to the first guy that gave me a cold 15 pack who needed one. My winches are now tucked up high and out of harms way!
