Wasn't trying to nit-pick, just saying the response time didn't quite match what was claimed as when it was read, unless his location was far different from mine.
I guess I just assumed (bad idea, I know) that "reading" also reffered to "replying".

As for letting it drop, it's a done deal as far as I'm concerned, and won't be brought back up (by me) again. Just like it wasn't brought up by me this time. He(?) made ammends, and I accepted. Done deal in my book.
(again, assuming it's a "he" based on the info given)

Bad days happen. I understand that. I assumed the OP was a younger person due to the reaction given, but I didn't refer to them as a "kid" or make any other age-related comments. Might have, had I not been due elsewhere when I first responded to the reply. I deal with a lot of younger folks where I work part-time. I treat them the way they treat me, like anyone else I interact with.

 

RW, I think everyone would feel better if you show up at my house in the morning at 8:30am and help me start the tear down and rebuild of my new/used motor... I know I would feel much better! What brand coffee do you drink???

 

LOL. I don't think there's any way I *could* get there by morning, and still be in any kind of condition to be much help..... I surely ain't getting on a plane, and the fuel cost would be a bit absurd, even in my ~30 MPG B2300. It would take twice as long to drive it there as it would almost anything else. 30 MPG comes with a price, in this case, it won't pass anything BUT a gas station......

I don't coffee anymore. I have it infused VIA IV.......


On the other hand, I'll be happy to give ya all the moral support ya need.

 

From what I've been able to find that seems dependable.......

1983 was the last year gas-engined trucks used the mechanical clutch linkages (which didn't give the firewall problem); 1982 the last year with diesel-engined.

I guess diesels had the change first due more pedal effort with a heavier pressure plate

 

Perhaps in your neck of the woods, things were a bit different.
Here in the USA, there was no diesel option until 1983 or 84. As far as I am aware, all of the diesel powered trucks here in the states had a hydraulic clutch.

This brings me to a question, what diesel options did you guys have in the early 80's? Ours was only the Navistar/IH 6.9L V8, and then only in F250HD/F350 trucks.

 

Likewise here - 6.9 IH
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We didn't get 300's, 400's or 460's though. The Australian built trucks were fitted with 250 six cyl. motors, or 302 & 351C V8's.

Re clutches - I might have assumed the hydraulic clutches on diesels, were preceded by mechanical linkages, like gas motors.

I just remember that from those dates onward, the respective clutches were hydraulic.

 

When did the 6.9L IH first show up for you guys? It was either 83 or 84 here, I honestly can't remember. I *think* it was 83.

Bummer you guys never got the 300, but I guess having the 351C makes up for that..... I knew the 351C went "down under" after 74.

I've though about trying to immigrate to that part of the world. The 351C used to be part of the reason. These days, it's that turbo I6 in the falcon/falcon ute (I SOOOOOOO want a falcon ute XR6 turbo) and the diesel ranger that have me dreaming of the aus/nz lifestyle.......

 

I think 83 too. I can't recall any earlier F-Series diesels over here. GM trucks had the 6.2 here earlier.

Yep - the XR6 & XR8 utes are beasts

I should stop messing up this guy's thread with trivia

 

Yeah, the GM 6.2 came out earlier here too. At least they offered it in a 1/2 ton..... Too bad it was a crappy body.

Me likey the ute's, Too bad they don't sell them over here... I'd rather have the XR6 though, just cause it ain't a V8.

This thread got off to a bad start, but got back on track. Now here we are getting it back off track. We're so bad......


No disrespect intended to the OP. Sorry mate. I'll quit hijacking it now.

 

We pulled the clutch & tranny from the '94. They now reside in the '83 (both short-beds by the way). Tunnel has been cut & cover is ready to go in. I read up in the stickies about a similar swap. It seemed very straight forward but I have run into a slight snag.

I had hoped I could utilize the cross member from the '94 but it isn't a direct swap. I would have to drill holes in the frame about 1 1/2" to the rear to accomodate it and I am not sure it would be OK as it seems the mounting holes don't quite line up side-to-side. The crossmember from the '83 lines up OK but will require drilling holes about 4-5" to the rear. Can't use the mount from the '94 w/ the crossmember from the '83 & vice-versa as the height is different as well as the bolt separation. Any suggestions as to which would be the best way to go? I'm leaning toward the '83 crossmember & mount right now.

Haven't mounted the master cyl for the clutch yet. There is a large plate upon which it needs to be mounted, the rib DB mentions is obvious. With that plate, is it necessary to add the plate from the '94? My Mcyl only has 2 bolts, not four as DB mentions, unless I am misunderstanding.
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1999 E320 (mine but daughter has it)
1994 F150 #1 (hurt)
1994 F150 #2 (parts)
1989 560 SL (wife's DD)
1986 560 SL (deceased)
1988 300 TE (departed)
1994 945T (daughter's but I have it)
1988 244DL (it lives!)
1986 242Ti (fallow)
1968 GT500KR (under restoration)
1941 Luxury Liner (son's project)

 

I would drill new holes and use the 94 unit. the other one will make your pinion angle wrong, not to mention the stress you are going to place on the motor mounts. If you look in my previous post, I told you to get the crossmember with the trans.

drilling the holes is hard on the arms, bit use small to large bits, start wih small bit, go to 1/2 the size you need, then the size you need. It's time consuming, but you, or the drill bit don't wear out that way.

hardest holes to drill will be the top ones


here is another thread going on that might be of some help with the clutch

Hydraulic clutch conversion
looks like the link failed, look in 80-86 forum for that tittle, unless Chris fixes it for me.......

good luck, ask if you need to, we're here to help

 

We ended up going with the '83 crossmember & the '94 mount (reverse mounted). The newer crossmember had a transverse crack right through the mount holes (initially thought it was just a discoloration until I started drilling). So I only had to drill one hole in the older crossmember to get the mount seated. With the higher mount & lower position now for the crossmember, the output shaft is probably less than 1/8" on the high side, I figured that was within an acceptable tolerance.

Thanks DB for the hole drilling process. SOP for me for many years. Just have to make sure the holes do not get too close to the edge of the frame. I think it will be OK.

Got the Mcyl. in, a RotoZip is a wonderful tool.

I'm hoping the actuating lever attached to the clutch pedal shaft will provide sufficient throw with the geometry as is (it was set up to push the shaft through the floor vs. the firewall). So there is somewhat less throw than there could be were the lever rotated 45-60 degrees. Tried using the lever from the '94 but it isn't compatible. We will see if it works shortly. Otherwise, we will see if the pedal assy. from the '94 will transfer over.
__________________________________________________ _________
1999 E320 (mine but daughter has it)
1994 F150 #1 (hurt)
1994 F150 #2 (parts)
1989 560 SL (wife's DD)
1986 560 SL (deceased)
1988 300 TE (departed)
1994 945T (daughter's but I have it)
1988 244DL (it lives!)
1986 242Ti (fallow)
1968 GT500KR (under restoration)
1941 Luxury Liner (son's project)

 

pedal has to come from 84 to 91. you might be able to work the 94 pedal in, but the angles will be wrong jyard probably has thousands of the one you need. watch for worn bushings, they are prone to that

 

Yeah, was afraid of that. Definitely not enough throw as is. Does the dash need to come out to swap the pedals? Or is it doable just from under the dash?

I might try to fab up a lever arm with a different angle first. Not hard, just time consuming.
__________________________________________________ _________
1999 E320 (mine but daughter has it)
1994 F150 #1 (hurt)
1994 F150 #2 (parts)
1989 560 SL (wife's DD)
1986 560 SL (deceased)
1988 300 TE (departed)
1994 945T (daughter's but I have it)
1988 244DL (it lives!)
1986 242Ti (fallow)
1968 GT500KR (under restoration)
1941 Luxury Liner (son's project)

 

you can do it from your back,from underneith, there's more room under there than you think. I would try to be as stock as possable, someone spent a lot of time and money to make all the angles/pressures right. Would hate for you to fab somethig up that blows up the hydrolic clutch pack. they're not real rugged to begin with